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Microsoft Is Dedicated To Building A Dodgy New Database Of Every Windows 11 User’s Online Behaviors

from the fast-forward-on-terrible-ideas dept

Last year Microsoft announced that it was bringing a new feature to its under-performing Windows 11 OS dubbed “Recall.” According to Microsoft’s explanation of Recall, the “AI” powered technology was supposed to take screenshots of your activity every five seconds, giving you an “explorable timeline of your PC’s past,” that Microsoft’s AI-powered assistant, Copilot, can then help you peruse.

The idea is that you can use AI to help you dig through your computer use to remember past events (helping you find that restaurant your friend texted you about, or remember that story about cybernetic hamsters that so captivated you two weeks ago).

But it didn’t take long before privacy advocates understandably began expressing concerns that this not only provides Microsoft with an even more detailed way to monetized consumer privacy, it creates significant new privacy risks should that data be exposed.

Early criticism revealed that consumer privacy genuinely was nowhere near the forefront of their thinking during Recall development. After some criticism, Microsoft said it would take additional steps to try and address concerns, including making the new service opt-in only, and tethering access to encrypted Recall information to the PIN or biometric login restrictions of Windows Hello Enhanced Sign-in Security.

But that (quite understandably) didn’t console critics, and Microsoft eventually backed off the launch entirely.

Until now.

Last week, Microsoft, clearly hungry to further monetize absolutely everything you do, announced that were bringing Recall back. Microsoft’s hoping that making the service opt-in (for now) with greater security will help quiet criticism:

“To use Recall, you will need to opt-in to saving snapshots, which are images of your activity, and enroll in Windows Hello to confirm your presence so only you can access your snapshots.”

But as Ars Technica’s Dan Goodin notes, even if user A opts out of recall, all the users he’s interacting with may not, opening the door to a long chain of potential privacy violations:

“That means anything User A sends them will be screenshotted, processed with optical character recognition and Copilot AI, and then stored in an indexed database on the other users’ devices. That would indiscriminately hoover up all kinds of User A’s sensitive material, including photos, passwords, medical conditions, and encrypted videos and messages.”

The simple act of creating this additional massive new archive of detailed user interactions may thrill Microsoft in the era of unregulated data brokers and rampant data monetization, but it creates an entirely new target for bad actors, spyware, subpoena-wielding governments, and foreign and domestic intelligence. In a country that’s literally too corrupt to pass a modern privacy law.

It’s all very… Microsoft.

It’s a bad idea being pushed by a company well aware that King Donald is taking a hatchet to any government regulators that might raise concerns about it. It’s another example of enshittification pretending to be progress, and Microsoft isn’t responding to press inquiries about it because it knows that barreling forth without heeding privacy concerns is a bad idea. It just doesn’t care.

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BoKnows says:

Bo Knows...

Bo Knows chicken little FUD when he sees it. Dozens of these empty articles have been written about specious and unfounded “concerns” surround recall. Making up things like a central database, that they will not use, to make it sound worse… doesn’t lend you any credibility.

Privacy naysayers have lost the thread when they comlpain about every little thing without nuance or specificity.

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Strawb (profile) says:

Re:

Privacy naysayers have lost the thread when they comlpain about every little thing without nuance or specificity.

The “naysayers” were very specific in complaining about Recall: it recorded every bit of personal information without hiding things like passwords, PINs or SSNs, and it saved all the information in plaintext on the local drive.

No amount of nuance would make up for a security fuckup like that.

Arianity (profile) says:

Re:

Making up things like a central database,

The article says nothing about a central database. It’s talking about the local copy, something that’s already been breached because they initially launched it storing data in plaintext. This delay is a direct product of shoddy security practices in previous Recall rollouts. The quote is then stored in an indexed database on the other users’ devices.

That said, not sure why you would trust Microsoft not to escalate in the future, given that it already regularly aggressively grabs data it’s not entitled to, via things like resetting people’s privacy settings after an update. They’re not a reliable party and that reputation is a direct consequence of previous actions.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I managed to do just fine with 7 for a while, just gotta have an up-to-date antivirus and all that and you’re golden.

Issue is when programs start making themselves only work on Win11 though. Since I’m not at all ready or up for changing OSes entirely, I’m just stretching it as far as I can in hopes Win11 will at least be tolerable by the time I make the switch.

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

I'm safe. Are you?

Windows is the number one cause of malware. It’s been well documented that between ensuring Win3.1 software will run on all future version, MS has also ensured bugs permeate their untenable codebase.

But should I worry?

myehud.com$ sudo dnf install recall | tail -1
Error: Unable to find a match: recall

mbr_laptop$ sudo apt-get install recall | tail -1
E: Unable to locate package recall

@ThatOneGuy wrote:

Microsoft seems to be hellbent on making undeniably clear that if you want an OS that isn’t a privacy and security nightmare do not use Windows 11.

I think he is 100% right.

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Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Re: Re: Windows 16b support

@Thad

My understanding is that Windows hasn’t supported 16-bit binaries for years…

See NTVDM.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/ntvdm-and-16-bit-app-support

In 16b Windows everything was compatible. In 32b Windows a 907Kg was compatible. In 64b there’s NTVDM.

Best

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

long-term backward compatibility is a tradeoff that maintains vulnerabilities that are otherwise fixed.

That’s kind of misleading. In some senses, it’s true: installers for Windows programs depend on being able to shit all over the file system, so Windows lets them elevate to Administrator privilege with just a prompt. And people click the button to grant that permission, because they know it’s probably the only way to get the software to work.

But that’s really more of a social than technical thing. Windows does actually enforce permissions reasonably well, and it’s almost unheard-of to find major holes intentionally left open for compatibility (any more than, say, X11 or sudo on Unix-like systems would allow).

It’s not so much that Windows is bad, it’s that Microsoft is. All this “Recall” shit is working within the Windows security model to invade the privacy of its users, with the (theoretical) permission of those users. (Kind of like history files, another privacy invasion that got everywhere but few people wanted.)

Dave760 says:

The way things used to work: You bought Windows (or likelier you got it when you purchased a new computer) from Microsoft. You used the computer and the only data Microsoft collected was performance data. They we’re the vendor, Windows was the product, and you were the customer.

How things work now: You purchase Windows (or a PC) and as you use it, Microsoft vacuums up every bit of data the can. Microsoft is still the vendor, but you are the product, and the shareholders are the customer.

What changed? Microsoft (like every other American corporation) discovered those sweet, sweet advertising dollars. And then they started playing around with AI, into which they’ve dumped huge amounts of money and which requires endless sources of data. They will get your data one way or another.

All of this is because they will do whatever they can to assure that profits are earned so that they’re satisfying their real customers, the shareholders.

The line must go up!

Nothing you, I, or anyone else can do is going to change this behavior, short of just not using their product. If enough people dump Windows then Microsoft might reconsider their stance. Good luck with that, given the entrenchment of Windows in the corporate world.

I consider this a big enough problem that I will not recommend Windows to anyone moving forward. I invite you to consider doing the same.

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Re: CAPITALism

@Dave760 wrote:

…they’re satisfying their real customers, the shareholders.

That is how capitalism works.

In every consumer transaction there’s the one side that has something. That’s the vendor. There’s the one side that wants that thing. That’s the customer. There’s a third party (the elephant in the room) that wants a piece of that deal. That’s the shareholder.

The shareholder can be a private investor (even a PE or VC) or a bank, or a federal outfit like the SBA, or F&F or White Angels, 2nd round, and eventually the open market. None of those are distinctive in that they all “put money in” and “want money out” and that money comes from the arbitrage of the “product” or “service” between customer and vendor.

BEFORE YOU DISCLAIM this practice, realize that social security, medicare, medicaid, and a huge portion of retirement funds ARE these investors. So one day when you need healthcare, or disability funds, or SNAP, or retirement help…

AND YOU SAY TO YOURSELF “What a wonderful world.” My bad. I meant to say “Hey I paid into that for 10+ years… where’s my return?” Then at that point you want the net difference between what the vendor cost to produce vs the customer cost to acquire happens to be.

Does capitalism suck?

You tell me. Also because it’s in my head maybe I can share:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqhCQZaH4Vs

Pope Francis. Rest in peace. 2024-04-21

Dave760 says:

Re: Re:

I’m going to assume that you’re arguing from the standpoint of Free Market Capitalism (rather than State Capitalism or Welfare Capitalism). Assuming I’m correct in that assumption, it’s important to understand that the economic system in the US is not Free Market Capitalism.

A Free Market requires at least three thing to function properly:

  1. Low barriers to entry
  2. Consumer choice
  3. Strong government regulation

Let’s look at number 3. The government has spent 40 years tearing down government regulation. If we had strong government regulation, someone in the government would have asked Microsoft to come to a hearing to discuss how the end user would be impacted by this change. (Lest you consider this change to be perfectly safe because you can turn it off, remember that anything you write and share with someone else can be captured by this system without your knowledge or consent) The government would bring an investigation that would uncover issues and require Microsoft to respond.

But we know that our current government views regulation as a bad thing. So the system we operate under is not Capitalism. It’s Corporatism.

Any benefit most of us get from living under this system is the little bit that manages to filter down to us. Today, the top 1% in our economy have as much wealth as the entire middle class. In a properly run Free Market Capitalist economy, this kind of wealth concentration is impossible.

We are in the same economy that the US was in 100 years ago. And 96 years ago we suffered the consequences of living in that economy.

I am a great believer in Free Market Capitalism. I wish I lived in a country with such an economy..

Anonymous Coward says:

That would indiscriminately hoover up all kinds of User A’s sensitive material, including photos, passwords, medical conditions, and encrypted videos and messages

There’s so much stupid in that sentence.

First off: Passwords? why on EARTH would you be sending clear passwords to anyone. Don’t do that.

Second of all… there is this thing called “trust”. If I tell you sensitive information about myself, I am trusting you not to disclose it. If someones using a system[0] that exfiltrates information, then you really can’t trust that person either.

It is exactly like telling someone who you know can’t keep their mouth shut all the things you don’t want others knowing.

Of course that does leave open the possibility that someone might be using those techs in ignorance. But if someone knowingly is opting in to sending other peoples sensitive data to corporations, that should be no ends of reputational damage.

None of this should be construed as defending Microsoft. This is also a very shit move on their part. Possibly also illegal.

For example, it seems like it would run into copyright/trade secrete issues. For example if I am working on a digital image, and send it (unknowingly) to someone who has this feature on, and we have a license agreement that the image will not be disclose, etc. It is still entirely possible the Microsoft (or a private individual at Microsoft) will make use of the image.

Even more fun: What about otherwise secured communication with Attorney-client privilege?

[0] honestly other vendors do similar shit already, that focusing only on one company is not productive.

Strawb (profile) says:

Re:

First off: Passwords? why on EARTH would you be sending clear passwords to anyone. Don’t do that.

Tons of people do that. And while we can agree that it’s a dumb thing to do, the reality is that it happens. Therefore, Recall will gobble it up and create massive security concerns.

Second of all… there is this thing called “trust”. If I tell you sensitive information about myself, I am trusting you not to disclose it.

As with the sharing of passwords, you shouldn’t do that.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

First off: Passwords? why on EARTH would you be sending clear passwords to anyone. Don’t do that.

Yes, surely no one would have a local encrypted file with a list of logins and passwords that Recall would screenshot.

Or login to 1Password or other password manager and click “reveal” on a password that Recall would screenshot.

Or toggle “show password” on a password box to make sure that they had entered it correctly on a website that Recall would screenshot.

Or accidentally type their password into the username field of a website or app, but delete it before hitting submit … but not before Recall would screenshot.

Or…

Or…

Or…

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Yes, surely no one would have a local encrypted file with a list of logins and passwords that Recall would screenshot.

Or login to 1Password or other password manager and click “reveal” on a password that Recall would screenshot.

You seem to have misread the comment. “User A” has disabled the “Recall” feature, and the idea is that “User B”—who didn’t—will somehow have this information. So, how many people have their passwords in someone else’s password manager or screenshots? How often does some other person accidentally type your password into a username field?

Rich says:

Yet another tool of oppression

And when King Donald issues a demand for Microsoft to produce a list of citizens that have written negative things about his performance on (insert list of message boards, social sites, mail clients here), Microsoft will kneel and present their tonsils, while they publicly deny it with all the same righteous indignation they pretended to have when they denied their compliance with the NSA’s PRISM program.

wibblewobble (profile) says:

TCs:

Microsoft may (at their discretion) upload your recall data to a microsoft Data Storage Facility IN THE UNITED STATES. They may (at their discretion) share your data with ‘involved’ third parties. So basically the NSA, FBI, anyone that pays them in cash……

Microsoft can use your recall data to initiate or continue any legal proceedings against you on their own behalf AND on behalf of third parties.

Microsoft reserves the right to archive your data for future retrieval <—basically even if we can’t decrypt it now, we will when quantum computers become better

So basically they want a blackmailable data store for future politicians and presidents worldwide.

n00bdragon (profile) says:

Re:

America is currently being run by a four-time married rapist felon who has staffed his entire administration with media celebrities who have had all of their scandalous lives endlessly reported in public for decades. None of this required spyware.

Blackmailing leaders is pointless. This kind of stuff is for the little people.

ECA (profile) says:

For anyone thinking about Porn

Re-consider it.
With such a program and the Eventful changes in the Future, it May become even harder to have ANY type of privacy, let alone the Legality of such entertainment.

Dear Mothers, what will your Sons Fap about with No such entertainment. Playboy isnt the same, Penthouse is gone, and the Small amount of other company DIED when porn hit the net.

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Re: Re: VISITING OLD FRIENDS

Go see Carl Hauser if you want to find out who Douglas Quaid is.

If I had my best dream ever it would be hanging out with Lori Quaid, then having Richter give me a ride to have a Scotch with Cohaagen.

No Melinda, no Quatto, no bigly machines built by martians, seriously.

The whole thing WAS entertaing… but stupid. None of it makes any sense and “Willful suspension of disbelief” requires it be “willful”. So you have to want it.

Just give me Anduril hanging over my head, call me Damocles, and watch me solve that Gordian knot.

But hey, I also would like to meet up with Roy Batty. Just keep his fingers away from my eyes…

E

David Wishengrad Exorcist, 1st class says:

They care!

It’s when people or companies say and claim that they do, but then don’t honestly care.

It’s not rocket science. So long as the people claiming to represent life’s truthful interest don’t responsibly publicly affirm and share that we have the cure for all needless and preventable suffering and death: “Life is Most Important in Life is The Most Important Truth in Life” after it is shared with them or make themselves unavailable to receive it, then global widespread devastation far beyond what any person has ever seen is 100% guaranteed to happen occur on repeat.

Those are the people who hold full for the horrors we see.

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

WHOM do you trust?

Fundamentally this is data exfiltration. It’s on by default.
It makes full-disk encryption useless.
It may capture not just the image but also the raw text or metadata.
It may capture keystrokes.

Don’t worry about foreign countries and spies.
Microsoft is forcing everyone to “upgrade” to Windows 11,
forcing everyone to use Recall,
your data are no longer yours.

My lawyer uses Windows. My doctor uses Windows. I’m pretty sure MVD uses Windows. That means I have to watch what I write them. Or it leaves the aegis of control of trusted partners, HIPAA, ACP, etc.

Anonymous User says:

Microsoft’s Recall Is Corporate Spyware—It Needs to Be Scrapped! Demand for it's permanent scrapping!

Microsoft’s new Recall feature is nothing short of corporate surveillance, disguised as a productivity tool. It tracks everything on-screen, creating a massive security risk for users.

Forced Surveillance Without Consent – Recall records screen activity, putting sensitive data at risk of breaches or exploitation.

No True Disabling Option – Even if turned off, Recall remains on the system, meaning privacy isn’t actually protected.

Why I Refuse to Update to 24H2 – Until Microsoft completely removes Recall, I won’t upgrade to an OS that prioritizes data tracking over user control.

Microsoft must scrap Recall permanently—no patches, no tweaks, just removal. Privacy should never be up for debate.

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