So Much For The 4th: Ring Allows Cops To Acquire Recordings Of Non-Suspect’s Home And Business
from the welcome-to-the-cloud! dept
Amazon’s doorbell surveillance acquisition, Ring, has spent most of its time, money, and energy courting cops. If law enforcement agencies are willing to forgo a little dignity and autonomy, the company will given them cameras free of charge, allowing cops to expand their surveillance capabilities by outfitting homes with recording devices.
The free cameras come with an implicit request: when the cops come knocking, surely you, Joe Consumer Goods, won’t reject their requests for footage from your FREE CAMERA. And, sure, Ring made it a bit more difficult for cops to acquire footage without warrants after receiving a considerable amount of backlash, but the fact remains anything stored in the cloud (the default option presented to Ring users) can be obtained without the explicit permission or knowledge of the people who supposedly own these cameras.
This fact remains true even if the person’s cameras weren’t the end result of law enforcement largesse. As Alfred Ng reports for Politico, a Ring customer found out the hard way that rejecting overbroad requests for camera footage just means cops will ask Ring to hand over what you, the camera owner, refuse to give them access to.
While investigating some drug activity, Hamilton, Ohio law enforcement officers asked resident Michael Larkin if they could have access to some of his doorbell footage. Larkin obliged.
The police said they were conducting a drug-related investigation on a neighbor, and they wanted videos of “suspicious activity” between 5 and 7 p.m. one night in October. Larkin cooperated, and sent clips of a car that drove by his Ring camera more than 12 times in that time frame.
Larkin, a local business owner, figured that would be the end of it. But the police were just getting warmed up. They asked for footage covering an entire day.
“He sent one asking for all the footage from October 25,” Larkin said. That was a far bigger ask, he said. Larkin told POLITICO that he has five cameras surrounding his house, which record in 5 to 15 second bursts whenever they’re activated. He also has three cameras inside his house, as well as 13 cameras inside the store that he owns, which is nowhere near his home. All of these cameras are connected to his Ring account.
Larkin rejected this request, mainly for logistical reasons. Every recorded clip (even if only seconds long) could take as much as a minute to download and send to the PD. And, obviously, “all footage” would include footage recording inside his house, as well as at his business — neither of which had any connection to the crime being investigated.
Rather than recognize Larkin’s rejection of this overbroad request as legitimate, the Hamilton police department decided to cut him out of the equation. Investigators secured a warrant to, in essence, search Larkin’s home and business. But it didn’t serve the warrant to him. It served the warrant to Ring.
The warrant included all five of his outdoor cameras, and also added a sixth camera that was inside his house, as well as any videos from cameras associated with his account, which would include the cameras in his store. It would include footage recorded from cameras he had in his living room and bedroom, as well as the 13 cameras he had installed at his store associated with his account.
All the cops had to show the court was that it was likely Ring had this footage on its premises. And Ring did have them, because recordings were automatically backed up to its cloud servers. It’s not clear whether or not Ring received an affidavit in support of the (pretty fucking bare bones) warrant [PDF] given the green light by a county judge Daniel Haughey.
Whatever the cops said to convince the judge that footage from inside a non-suspect’s home and business was relevant to a drug investigation involving other suspects entirely apparently was good enough for Ring. It turned everything over without a fight.
Ring’s spokesperson, Brendan Daley, says the company “reviews” all warrants served to it by law enforcement to ensure the requests are not overbroad. That being said, he also said this:
In Larkin’s case, Daley confirmed to POLITICO that Ring reviewed Larkin’s warrant, and provided a full response to the legal request: It sent all the footage police asked for.
The PD has refused to comment on the warrant or this case, citing the ever-popular “active investigation” as the reason for its refusal to discuss its overly broad request for footage it shouldn’t have ever requested. Its spokesperson, Brian Ungerbuehler, did say this, however:
He added that the department did not obtain any video footage from inside the house.
Lest anyone read this as evidence of the department’s restraint and better judgment, the only reason the department did not obtain this footage was because this footage did not exist.
Larkin said it was fortunate his indoor camera listed in the request was unplugged for the timeframe the warrant specified, while his living room and bedroom cameras are only activated when his home alarm system is active.
The department asked for it. It never thought that it shouldn’t. And the only reason it didn’t get to peek into Larkin’s home life is because the footage was never created. This absolves the PD of nothing. And it definitely doesn’t let Ring off the hook for deciding a one-page warrant that said nothing more than the PD was aware Ring runs a cloud storage service was all it needed to turn over all footage from multiple cameras.
Larkin said no when law enforcement asked for too much. The cops knew they couldn’t talk a judge into entering Larkin’s home to seize cameras and footage. But they did know Ring might help them out. So they bypassed the person whose recordings were actually being seized, making a complete mockery of the Fourth Amendment and any other privacy laws meant to protect consumers. And they did it all with the assistance of a company that has spent millions cozying up to cops and now wants to portray itself as a protector of its customers by claiming (without citing details) it performs a thorough review of law enforcement demands for recordings.
Bullshit. It’s all bullshit. No one involved in this debacle cares about Ring customers or their rights. Not the cops. Not the camera company. And, apparently, not even Judge Daniel Haughey, who was expected to be the adult in the room.
Filed Under: 4th amendment, hamilton, hamilton pd, home security, ohio, police, ring, ring cameras, surveillance, warrant
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There is NO expectation of privacy when you store your security camera footage in a public companies cloud storage.
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Ring is a private company, and yes, there is. Ring just decided to shit on that expectation, and on the 4th Amendment.
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And, no, there isn’t. The third party doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine
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No, there isn’t.
You may think there is, but that is your own ignorance.
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I hope that you are articulating how you think reality is rather than how you think reality should be. If it’s the latter, then surely you’d have no objections if police were to read or listen to all of your bank statements, emails, phone calls, online drive files, and browsing activity without telling you about doing so, amd without asking for your permission either.
Let’s not conflate “publically accessible in unencrypted, raw form on the internet” with “stored by a private company or publically traded company”.
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I have yet to understand why lay abiding citizens have a problem with the cops knowing anything. If you don’t break the law, what are you concerned about?
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So if cops showed up at your door and said “We want to search your home, and go through all of your private stuff.” you’d be perfectly OK with that?
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“There is NO expectation of privacy when you store your security camera footage in a public companies cloud storage.”
And yet there is this expectation that you will believe their advertising claims about how secure their cloud is.
IOT should be change to IOPA, Internet of Privacy Invasion).
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Internet of Shit covers that
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Apple own that abbreviation.
And we are entering territory now in the US that judges are bending over backwards just to fuck over its citizenry.
And this is going all the way to the Supreme Court.
When is there going to be meaningful pushback and accountability for these judges?
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Never. Judges have absolute immunity, so merely deciding cases incorrectly (which might not apply to this one) has no consequences for them. The Fourth Amendment, outdated and filled with Swiss cheese holes in the form of undermining common law exceptions (especially the Third Party Doctrine), is not fit for the information age. I think that the minimal long-term solution is to [vote in Congress members who would] pass a Constitutional amendment to strengthen the Fourth Amendment by establishing a right to privacy from government intrusion even when third parties are involved (which is almost always; what do you do in your daily life that doesn’t involve providing a third party more information about you?). In particular, Congress has to eliminate the Third Party Doctrine.
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afaik, it is theoretically possible to impeach a judge, but realistically it is more than difficult.
I still do not understand why any sane person would outfit their home, indoors, with this unnecessary monitoring equipment.
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If, as in this case, the cameras are only turned on when they are not present, they allow remote checking of the house.
A fine demonstration that if you’ve decided to use Ring as your home camera of choice your permission to access the resulting footage is entirely optional and refusal to grant access doesn’t mean it won’t be handed over, it just means you won’t be the one doing so.
The privacy nuts are at it again.
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Well that’s certainly one of the sadder attempts to brush this under the rug I’ve seen in a while, so congrats on that I guess?
Third Party Doctrine
Just like cell phone records, Ring cloud recordings fall under the third party doctrine. There is no privacy protection for Ring cloud customers under the 4th amendment.
Ring customers would have to use local storage only to receive protection.
Word to the wise, if you don’t need a third party to have your info or files, do not give it to them. If you don’t need a history of Ring videos, don’t maintain one.
If you trust the cops, you are probably making a mistake.
Re: The Third-Party Doctrine, incompatible with the presumption of innocence
As I said to a different commenter:
Most people unavoidably share a large chunk of their lives with third-party providers. It’s necessary for work, school, and often daily life. If I use Gmail to store my emails then should I lose my expectation of privacy from government intrusion? If I use cloud storage then should the government be able to see what’s in it without a warrant and without telling me immediately after starting to search if not beforehand that they want to look at it? The principle of the presumption of innocence which underlies the 4th Amendment is that if the government is searching my life then they must already have probable cause to believe that I’ve done something wrong. If there’s no probable cause then why should the government be allowed to look at my things in the first place?
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The number of law abiding people concerned about police, or corporations, tracking info is a tiny tiny minority that happens to scream very loudly.
Whilst a tiny number cry like children, I sign up with perks accounts, coupon services, discount shopping memberships, club stores…
Cookies on, for targeted useful advertising that supports the sites I use.
Many people willing SELL their information in exchange for benefits.
You can argue all you want with this. But the blame isn’t on Ring. It’s on the judge that signed an over broad warrant
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