a lot of Russian users also did some checks.
Results were predictable :)
A lot of accounts from Russian "opposition" or says they are Russian were from EU/Ukraine (sometimes MADE from Ukraine).
potential "solution" is.. goverment-controlled website where everybody have account and oauth2 login via it (with only necessary data being reported). only one site to audit and do it securely.
Now they made THIS seem like better solution?!
(btw, this solution will not work anyway because:
- different countries exist. with different requirements (good luck making EU/China/Russia approve integration for USA site. Or reverse)
- how to make accounts in first place?(USA somehow was able to create big issues with id check laws for voting(!) which require just issuing paper document to everyone. online version would be more complex)
Remove vs not remove is another mess. It's also mostly ...arleady solved in practice.. with goverment censorship request. People from country which says 'remove' will get HTTP 451 if it's possible or no answer if it's not.
Potential issue here - some countries (I think Canada was reported on this) try to get global block requests.
Also, tech companies could easily say that if global block requests should be done - this meant that requests from ALL countries should be honored globally too or company get serious problems in such countries, even company decide not to have business in such countries - their courts could try to enforce their fines in 3rd countries. This could escalate
(check whole issue with Youtube's censorship of certain Russian channels. Russian court ordered or astreinte fines be applied. Google said they can't do this - channel owner is under personal US sanctions. Recent news was that there were attempts to collect that fine in Turkey(?)).
It's better not to go here.
EU Did have good idea by having DIFFERENT policies for Big Tech with Digital Markets Act. Why USA can't go same approach? Smaller resources keep current Section 230 and big ones get more strict threatment.
Yes, there could be issues with federated platforms but it's another problem and federated platforms usually make it possible for instance admins to express they views by choosing what's available AND users could go different instance.
This would require at least persistent pseudonym ids (or no anonymite at all if we want to ban bad people like bad politicians).
Also, what about people from other countries?
So UK decide to follow Russia's lead in regulation of Internet? (same, 'it's for chilren, you should trust us, we don't do wrong but don't forget to provide hostages' ideas).
I would prefer it in reverse.
And that’s where we really do need primary and secondary liability, e.g., if I sign up for Whizbang Isp Inc, and use a server there to conduct a DoS attack against BestNetTech, clearly I am accountable for that conduct.
Potential issue here: if it's not BestNetTech but cbr dot ru (Russian central bank's site) or vtb dot ru (major russian bank) or some other big Russian site and you are Ukrainian - you are accountable but you (or Whizbank Isp Inc) are unlikely to be prosecuted because of current geopolitical situation.
Github hosts a lot of attack tools with configured lists,etc for those purposes and does exactly nothing about it just because targets are acceptable to them.
because Salesforce provided CRM software to Backpage, it should also be liable for any trafficking that occurred on the platform.
I think they are not doing enough. Backpage used Linux and Windows (because every company uses them) so Linus Torvalds and Bill Gates should be personally liable for trafficking that occurred on the platform.
Potential issue: how to handle requests to foreign companies?
Don't handle them at all - it would be worse because this mean USA now ignores their rights. Other countries respond in same kind.
Use current DCMA scheme? - they will ignore it (it's working via tacit agreement right now and because all proposed alternatives are worse).
Use their courts - could be worse. USA's courts are at least usually makes some sense and they start to do crazy things - it's usually corrected.
It doesn't matter who represented them in this takedown - stupid employee, lawyer, regular bot or 'AI' bot. It was their takedown and we should assume worst possible thing (them trying to cover their old history?).
It also doesn't matter if somebody falsely claims to represent them (it's between them and Facebook and possible said 3rd party to fix it)
What IS social network?
Is Fortnite social network?
What about SecondLife?(which do have age gate but it's used for other things and not flat-out deny)
What about WoW?
What about social networks who do have English UI but also likely to show middle finger to Australian Goverment requests (like Russian VK)?
Yet.
Also, check China and Russia's example.
In Russia, it's not illegal to use VPN to bypass blocks. Except that ISPs required by law to help censorship (including via dedicated and centrally-controlled DPI hardware), there is some overblock, also, sites also must remove "undesirable information" or be blocked (sometimes this results in situations like one with Youtube - authorities said it's not blocked or slowed down and it's google hardware doing bad, google said everything is working fine, a lot of users proved it's DPI. Sites who describe how to help Google's hardware(VPNS, anti-DPI tools) got notices asking them to remove such information).
Are you SURE US states stops at just requirements to block adult content and nothing more? They wont'
2 (possible little known) things:
- it IS possible to pay for things in AppStore/iTunes store if your account is set to Russia and you don't use any tricks to hide this. Payment via cellular balance. This does NOT work for Google's Play Store.
I use this feature to buy (and not pirate) music from iTunes Store
- it is ALSO possible to switch AppleID's account country to any one you like. There are a lot of guides in Russian for USARussia switch. Yes, switch to USA will make payments impossible unless person does have US card but they still get VPN apps and other things they like which are censored in Russia.
It would be be much more interesting to knew how Apple will react to recent Russian laws which basically require them to extend EU-only features(NFC access, 3rd party stores and so on) to Russia.
Nobody in their right mind would ban a CDN IP address.
key words: right mind
Arleady seen in Russia, Ukraine and some other post-Soviet countries.
CDN IPs (cloudlfare was one of most affected) gets blocked because $some_bad_site and if it's old-style Russian block - Cloudflare will get notice and it would be possible for anybody to check. If it's new-style (centrally controlled DPI) Russian block or other post-soviet countries blocks - you will not get even such warnings. End result? Everbody uses VPNs. Such system was created in Russia to protect children from abuse, later updated to protect copyright owners from loss of profits, now it's mostly used to protect people against information goverment doesn't want them to knew.
MS did sell (or allow their resellers) to sell Backpage Windows licenses for their desktop work.
Linus put Linux kernel under license which allowed use by Backpage for their servers
Except that there is way to opt out.
Also, companies many countries tried to get money out of Google for it's "abuse" (robots.txt wasn't enough for them) but started to whine when Google just..stopped said abuse by stopped linking/using content from newspapers at all. More recent attempts at such legislation prevents google from choosing not to use materials from newspapers at all. So newpapers want traffic from Google AND money from Google.
How it could be anything but Mastodon developers must use system-provided APIs to control all NSFW content?
It's opensource project with no single universal client? Not a problem. ALL clients must support this if they want to be used in Montana.
Is there rules who can be "any entity represented in the collective bargaining process" ?
Only pre-approved companies with specific owners? Looks like censorship to me.
ANYBODY? What about official goverment news services? No, not Russian or even Chinese ones. ISIL ones.
Only U.S.-based entities? What about other countries saying it's censorship and trying to retaliate?
I would like to use something like in place where I live eve (I currently have 750 + 500 Mbit/s from 2 different ISPs(with Mikrotik as Dual-WAN router) and I can get 2 other ISPs. No way to get something more than > 1 Gbit/s).
I'm not from USA but IF/WHEN I decide to emigrate to USA - I knew place where I want to live!
a lot of Russian users also did some checks. Results were predictable :) A lot of accounts from Russian "opposition" or says they are Russian were from EU/Ukraine (sometimes MADE from Ukraine).
potential 'solution'
potential "solution" is.. goverment-controlled website where everybody have account and oauth2 login via it (with only necessary data being reported). only one site to audit and do it securely. Now they made THIS seem like better solution?! (btw, this solution will not work anyway because: - different countries exist. with different requirements (good luck making EU/China/Russia approve integration for USA site. Or reverse) - how to make accounts in first place?(USA somehow was able to create big issues with id check laws for voting(!) which require just issuing paper document to everyone. online version would be more complex)
Remove vs not remove is another mess. It's also mostly ...arleady solved in practice.. with goverment censorship request. People from country which says 'remove' will get HTTP 451 if it's possible or no answer if it's not. Potential issue here - some countries (I think Canada was reported on this) try to get global block requests. Also, tech companies could easily say that if global block requests should be done - this meant that requests from ALL countries should be honored globally too or company get serious problems in such countries, even company decide not to have business in such countries - their courts could try to enforce their fines in 3rd countries. This could escalate (check whole issue with Youtube's censorship of certain Russian channels. Russian court ordered or astreinte fines be applied. Google said they can't do this - channel owner is under personal US sanctions. Recent news was that there were attempts to collect that fine in Turkey(?)). It's better not to go here.
EU did have good idea...
EU Did have good idea by having DIFFERENT policies for Big Tech with Digital Markets Act. Why USA can't go same approach? Smaller resources keep current Section 230 and big ones get more strict threatment. Yes, there could be issues with federated platforms but it's another problem and federated platforms usually make it possible for instance admins to express they views by choosing what's available AND users could go different instance.
This would require at least persistent pseudonym ids (or no anonymite at all if we want to ban bad people like bad politicians). Also, what about people from other countries?
You meant, like this one? I may be wrong but this law technically applies to BestNetTech's comments section too (if there are enough users from UK).
So UK decide to follow Russia's lead in regulation of Internet? (same, 'it's for chilren, you should trust us, we don't do wrong but don't forget to provide hostages' ideas). I would prefer it in reverse.
Salesforce? Not deep enough.
Potential issue: how to handle requests to foreign companies? Don't handle them at all - it would be worse because this mean USA now ignores their rights. Other countries respond in same kind. Use current DCMA scheme? - they will ignore it (it's working via tacit agreement right now and because all proposed alternatives are worse). Use their courts - could be worse. USA's courts are at least usually makes some sense and they start to do crazy things - it's usually corrected.
It doesn't matter who represented them in this takedown - stupid employee, lawyer, regular bot or 'AI' bot. It was their takedown and we should assume worst possible thing (them trying to cover their old history?). It also doesn't matter if somebody falsely claims to represent them (it's between them and Facebook and possible said 3rd party to fix it)
What IS social network?
What IS social network? Is Fortnite social network? What about SecondLife?(which do have age gate but it's used for other things and not flat-out deny) What about WoW? What about social networks who do have English UI but also likely to show middle finger to Australian Goverment requests (like Russian VK)?
Yet. Also, check China and Russia's example. In Russia, it's not illegal to use VPN to bypass blocks. Except that ISPs required by law to help censorship (including via dedicated and centrally-controlled DPI hardware), there is some overblock, also, sites also must remove "undesirable information" or be blocked (sometimes this results in situations like one with Youtube - authorities said it's not blocked or slowed down and it's google hardware doing bad, google said everything is working fine, a lot of users proved it's DPI. Sites who describe how to help Google's hardware(VPNS, anti-DPI tools) got notices asking them to remove such information). Are you SURE US states stops at just requirements to block adult content and nothing more? They wont'
2 (possible little known) things: - it IS possible to pay for things in AppStore/iTunes store if your account is set to Russia and you don't use any tricks to hide this. Payment via cellular balance. This does NOT work for Google's Play Store. I use this feature to buy (and not pirate) music from iTunes Store - it is ALSO possible to switch AppleID's account country to any one you like. There are a lot of guides in Russian for USARussia switch. Yes, switch to USA will make payments impossible unless person does have US card but they still get VPN apps and other things they like which are censored in Russia. It would be be much more interesting to knew how Apple will react to recent Russian laws which basically require them to extend EU-only features(NFC access, 3rd party stores and so on) to Russia.
Why Microsoft and Linus Torvalvds not liable?
MS did sell (or allow their resellers) to sell Backpage Windows licenses for their desktop work. Linus put Linux kernel under license which allowed use by Backpage for their servers
Except that there is way to opt out. Also, companies many countries tried to get money out of Google for it's "abuse" (robots.txt wasn't enough for them) but started to whine when Google just..stopped said abuse by stopped linking/using content from newspapers at all. More recent attempts at such legislation prevents google from choosing not to use materials from newspapers at all. So newpapers want traffic from Google AND money from Google.
How it could be anything but Mastodon developers must use system-provided APIs to control all NSFW content? It's opensource project with no single universal client? Not a problem. ALL clients must support this if they want to be used in Montana.
Is there rules who can be "any entity represented in the collective bargaining process" ? Only pre-approved companies with specific owners? Looks like censorship to me. ANYBODY? What about official goverment news services? No, not Russian or even Chinese ones. ISIL ones. Only U.S.-based entities? What about other countries saying it's censorship and trying to retaliate?
I want it!
I would like to use something like in place where I live eve (I currently have 750 + 500 Mbit/s from 2 different ISPs(with Mikrotik as Dual-WAN router) and I can get 2 other ISPs. No way to get something more than > 1 Gbit/s). I'm not from USA but IF/WHEN I decide to emigrate to USA - I knew place where I want to live!