Proposed DHS Rules May Cause The Deaths They Claim To Prevent
Back at the end of March, the Department of Homeland [in]Security issued rules stating that all electronics larger than a smartphone should be checked instead of kept in a carry-on on flights into the US from 10 airports or on 9 airlines from mainly Muslim countries in the middle east and north Africa. This was following claims by US and UK intelligence that terrorists are smuggling explosive devices in various consumer items to ‘target commercial aviation‘.
Not only does this not pass the smell test — anyone looking to bring down an aircraft with explosive devices won’t care if they’re in the cabin or the hold: boom is boom. The idea that items are going to go through some sort of super-secret screening is laughable, when red-team penetration tests find it trivial to get prohibited items onto aircraft (including via people with no ticket who bypass security screenings). And, of course, airports already require carry-on electronics to be x-rayed, and often swabbed for explosive residue. What’s more, I remember seeing ‘explosives smuggled on board’ hysteria since Pan Am 103 almost 30 years ago, where Czech explosive Semtex was suspected to be in everything from fake muesli to electronics following the use of just 12 ounces (340g) to blast a 50cm hole in the 747’s hold.
A more “credible” theory is potential “cyber warfare” (a pox on that term). With electronics out of sight of the passengers after check-in, access to them is far easier for ‘security services’. As well as allowing easy access to snoop on passenger electronics and data, there is a potential for far more nefarious actions in the tradition of Stuxnet.
Stuxnet was a worm that targeted a certain Siemens industrial control system primarily used by Iranian nuclear centrifuges. However, it spread via infected USB drives to computers, and from those computers to other USB drives, all the while using rootkits with compromised digital signatures to hide. It essentially used a digital version of ‘6 degrees of separation‘ to eventually infect its target. What better way to spread similar malware than to infect a bunch of computers on flights to the target country? It’s not just laptops either, cameras need memory cards and are just as easy to infect. As a theory, it’s got a lot to commend it, but that’s beside the point, because, remember, this is about ‘safety’ and people not taking bombs into aircraft cabins.
So fast forward to the present, and while expanding the ban has been kicked about, a JetBlue flight has shown the incredible danger of requiring electronics to be put into bags that often are kicked about.
May 30th’s JetBlue flight 915 (NY JFK to San Francisco) had to make an emergency landing in Michigan after a AA lithium battery in a backpack started to smoke. When it was noticed, the backpack was moved to the aircraft bathroom which presumably dislodged whatever was causing the short. Luckily that was enough to prevent the fire from getting started, which would have soon gotten out of control.
And therein lies the problem. Lithium battery fires are very dangerous, and one of the things that make them more dangerous than most other fires is that most of the things you’d do by instinct to put out a fire (smother it, put water on it) actually makes them worse. Realistically, the only way to deal with a lithium fire is to stop it before it starts, and while that happened this time, if it were in the hold we’d be looking at a downed Airbus A321 with 158 dead.
Airlines know this and have for a long time. In 2000, I tried to fly with 2 batteries in my checked baggage from the UK to San Francisco with Virgin, and to Las Vegas with TWA. The batteries, Hawker (now Enersys) SBS40‘s were 38Ah, 12v batteries (yes, you can easily start a car with them) and were packed safely into my checked baggage as well as being certified safe for air travel (they won’t leak if tipped or punctured). Virgin had no problems, but TWA flatly refused, citing a risk of fire in the hold (and at 28lb/12.7kg each, carry-on wasn’t an option)
Now bear in mind this is a battery designed for rugged use, puncture resistant and safe (which is why they were used in Battlebots entries, which is why I was taking them, for the Suicidal Tendencies team), in a fire-resistant case where the only available fuel might be some small amounts of hydrogen gas, and whatever items are around. Lithium batteries generally don’t come in rugged fire-resistant cases, provide their own fuel, and worst of all, physical damage (such as heavy-handed baggage handlers) can cause such damage.
If you want a more specific example of the risks, just cast your minds back to last year and the Samsung note7. With just the potential for a fire with note7 battery, they were banned from aircraft for safety reasons. They weren’t consigned to the hold, where they can cause problems without anyone noticing.
And it gets worse, Lithium-ion batteries are EVERYWHERE. Aside from the rechargeable AA and AAA batteries like the one that caught fire on flight 915, lithium batteries are in laptops and cameras. Here are some examples of lithium batteries I had to hand, that I’d take on a trip with me and have to check.
That’s a laptop battery, a digital camera battery, a phone battery and a video camera battery (I have 4 of these). One of them is 10 years old, that’s how long these batteries have been out there.
Any of these can cause an uncontrollable fire if mishandled (and sometimes, just from age). What’s more, any of these devices wouldn’t take much to rig with a short-range detonation using nothing more than their own battery as the bomb. A bomb which will pass all the cursory security checks because there are no obvious chemicals (RDX, TNT, etc) to detect.
As a policy to prevent bombings, it’s not useless, it’s actually WORSE than useless, as it makes it FAR easier to take down an aircraft with electronics, just by accident, let alone by design.
The only people who benefit from this policy were it to be enacted worldwide, would be the computer snoopers, and of course, the many thieves, pilferers, 5-finger-discount shoppers, and general low-life criminals that seem to be employed at most airports in their security/baggage handling/TSA departments. Anyone else is potentially flying corpse-class.
Now, some might say that in this case, having lithium-ion batteries of any kind on an aircraft — whether in checked luggage or carry-on — is a recipe for disaster, and that they should be banned in general. But what I’m saying is that they are more prone to fire through mishandling than other battery types, and that such a fire, once it has started and takes hold, is more difficult to get under control easily. Well-maintained, well-treated batteries are safe if they’re kept in the cabin, as any incident can at least be quickly addressed, as the recent JetBlue incident showed. Requiring they be put into baggage that is dropped, thrown, punted, squished, molested, rummaged through and otherwise mishandled, before being packed tightly into an aircraft hold unattended means that damage leading to a fire is far more likely, and that fire is unlikely to be discovered ? let alone extinguished ? before it is too late for the safety of the aircraft.
And if you’re wondering how to put out a lithium battery fire when started, the answer is to use a class-D fire extinguisher (which only works on metal fires) but in a pinch, salt (pun intended) or sand can be used. Good luck finding the former, or enough of the latter two at 43,000ft. In a pinch, you can use water in mist form to cool around the battery and bring its temperature down (this can take a LOT of water and time), while also isolating it from any other fuel where possible (which was done in this case). Again, this is not really feasible if the fire is in the hold. Here’s a demonstration of extinguishing a laptop battery fire, and how even when prepared, and waiting for it, with an extinguisher at the ready, it can still take a minute or two to put it out. Most people would be tempted to stop once the flames go out, allowing for re-ignition.
Reposted from the Politics & P2P blog







This one's an easy no-brainer
It's basic physics. Ever gone swimming? Ever dived down under the water? No matter how deep you go, you can always blow out air. Now take a tube/hosepipe, and go underwater. you can breathe in using it (aka a snorkel) fine just under the surface, but the deeper you go, the harder it is, until about 5ft down, almost everyone struggles to draw in a breath. Its basic physics. you breathe out by squeezing the chest, raising the pressure, half the size it doubles, etc. Your exhilation is controlled by the pressure exerted by your muscles Breathing in, your chest cavity expands, creating a low pressure area that draws in air and inflates things. But with external pressures on a body (be it 5ft deep water or a cop sitting on you) the area desn't inflate. And the pressure difference when exhaling can be 4-5 atmospheres different, while the most it could possibly be is about 0.75 atmospheres difference (because it'd only be 1 if you made a complete vaccume) TLDR it's far easier to exhale than inhale, and you do so under muscle power, rather than by creating a cavity and hoping air fills it.
There's another way to look at it. The whole BrandX thing, allowing the FCC to reclassify internet as Title1 from Title2, is based on Chevron. Net neutrality rules preceeded Chevron, so it's possible that they could win in the whole Chevron thing, and lose because then it's ruled to be title2 regardless, and the last 20 years of changing titles would be out the window.
There's a reason for this. It's not related to this, it's because it's a common part of the SovCit spiel. Their view is that 'Driving is a commercial activity' (according to the 4th Ed of Blacks Dictionary, back in the 1920s) and so if you're not engaged in commerce, you're not driving, you're thus just "travelling" which is a protected activity under the constitution and which you don't need a license for. And they'll refuse to identify, will have fake plates, won't recognise the cops authority, claim they're foreign nationals (and thus not subject to us laws etc) and come under their own distinct jurisdiction, or only recognise 'common law' not 'codes or statutes', all while demanding supervisors, and claiming that a crime has to have an injured party. And THAT is why the cop gave that 'oh no, not this' look. Because its someone with even worse understanding of the laws than the cops 9and thats saying something!)
nothing new
Its always been that way about the CC website. Back in November 2000 I was on the front page with a writeup, when I was working on their number2 show, BattleBots; was me "robo-rat-boy", and Jay Leno. A year or two later, I asked if I could have a copy of the site, or a screenshot, or something, and was told 'nope', because they didn't keep/archive anything like that. So its nothing new. And a few years ago, when CBS went into the fold ,I asked my BinL about it (he was one of their storage experts) and he said they weren't archiving anything then.
Hey, I had a blast, thank you both for coming on to talk about things.
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Over and over, Carr has shown not just that he doesn't have the basic competency for his job, but that he doesn't even know what the agency he works for does. i'm pretty sure at least half of his official statements are about him whining that the FCC should be doing something the FCC has no jurisdiction over. Yet this anthropamorphic slurry-spreader was nodded through, while someone who knows what they're doing let alone what the agency can do, was roadblocked to the point they withdrew. Until we start fixing the problem of having 'politically reliable, but utterly incompetent industry glovepuppets' in regulatory positions, things are always going to be terrible.
Will she be handing herself in? Keeping herself away from minors? After all, bills like this are porn for fascists.
He saw the puppet sex and it blew his mind, all he can remember is the "emergency signal" (flail like a fool), the bock-o-five line, and that he wants to be the dick fucking the asshole, but everything else he didn't bother with. Which is all very 'Bon', everything is 'Bon' according to Team Elon, World FreeSpeecher [Fuck him]
well he is the kind of person you'd forbid your daughter from marrying, and does put out some of the worst drivel in the universe, and is attempting to destroy the earth for some hyperspace/hyperloop bypass. Does seem to have big wowbagger energy though.
I was going to improve twitter but then I got high oooh ooh I was going to be the coolest tweeter but then i got hight Now I'm retweeting Nazi, do you know why? (why why?) because I got high, because I got high, because I got hiigh. bada-dap-dap...
Lets be honest, we're talking about Musk here, so Slartibartfast is the wrong name. It's clearly got to be Vroomfondle, a self-important philosopher that usually gets things wrong, and dislikes other thinking machines, barges his way into places demanding things then goes away when he thinks he can make some money. Plus the name itself is made up of two things Musk likes.
The other thing about AI, especially when it comes to copyright is that none of the arguments are all that new. In fact, most of them were done in some variation about 150 years ago when photography came along.
The intent was to have Media Matters flattened like an autopilot'd Tesla flattens pedestrians. Instead it's performing as well as Musk's submarine did at rescuing the Thai football team from the cave, and for the same reasons.
Mike is an expert in this. I've been accepted as an expert in online copyright infringement by the US Federal courts, and I consider Mike to be someone that very much understands the law here. You, I'm not really seeing anything you understand too much, except "acting petulant" and maybe "looking the fool"...
Are John Smart and Danielle Foreman going to arrest everyone that doesn't openly laugh in their faces? I mean if not laughing at a drunken description of a joke is arrestable, not laughing at the two biggest jokes in Philly means you've been up to some major crimes!