I don't get it...you repeat his argument and then conclude that you're correct and he's wrong?
His whole point was that people don't care about the medium, but rather the content. Convenience of the medium (be it whip, disc, digital file, etc.) demands a price from the consumer. With digital distribution, costs of the medium drop to zero, so we're left with what? For me, convenience. Sure I could go torrent all the movies, but I'm lazy, so I'll pay my $10/mo and just watch them on Netflix, or I'll listen to the ads on Pandora. Some people don't have that $10 laying around, but they have abundant time, so they pirate. Life is tough sometimes.
How about if I play it loud enough for an entire city to hear? Just because I'm using sound waves instead of radio waves for my broadcast, is it really no longer a broadcast?
Not to mince words, but when you say it grants the usage, you mean it provides you the utility of having the ability to listen to that particular song yes? As such, aren't you saying that it's an instrument that allows listening to the music? So, irregardless of your stance on music, the license would then be a service that you provide in perpetuity to allow someone to access your song.
Yeah, we do the same thing with software. People who view it as a product really take issue with us not providing free upgrades. The rest recognize that a yearly subscription is a reasonable approach to it.
How about if I create something that modifies Sony's code, but I'm not distributing their code, I'm only distributing mine, which allows you to add back in the 'Other OS' functionality?
1. As much as I can tell the difference between VHS and HD video. It's a huge difference. It also doesn't matter to me. I stream movies via Netflix on lo-def and I listen to songs that are compressed so bad they make AM radio sound good.
2. Absolutely not. I'm sure I don't represent the entire market, but expense and convenience are the top dogs as far as I'm concerned. If I've already got the song, paying to download a better version is both costly and inconvenient, so I won't do it. Allow me to click a button and have it update the songs in the background free of charge and I'll gladly upgrade.
You probably don't want to ride in my car then. I've got two midrange speakers in a convertible where I stream Pandora through my phone directly to the amp. 54kbps @ 16-bit. Sure, the cymbals sound like TV static, but with the howl of the wind in your ears you have to imagine half the audio anyway.
Did you read the two paragraphs preceding as well as the one following the snippet you've taken? The context of the statement is about the innovation on the device side and is completely appropriate. It's meant to give context to their (admittedly lame) attempt to create an "Open Internet" for mobile devices. The gist of it being that the new openness of the OSes on devices has led to more useful handsets that should be able to access more than just the walled garden style internet that providers have given up to this point.
I agree that Android's inherit openness doesn't lend itself to this conclusion any more than Apple's iOS's capabilities; but conflating the statement and the intent is something I would not have expected from Tech Dirt. Is anyone reading the source and considering critical thinking skills above that of a middle schooler before writing these articles?
Wish they hadn't found my pocket knife that'd I'd forgotten to remove when I parked. It wasn't the greatest knife, but it was pretty good, and it would open boxes and letters like a champ. Ah well, at least they had a wine key for sale at the gift shop next to my terminal, so if I was really wanting to cause some mayhem, the tools were available to me.
Glad you said it. It's the little things, but it really is a fairly big difference. Reminds me of when reporters call all assault rifles "AK-47's"...sigh...
This is where you hit a snag. The legality of the release of that information is under question. The state may not have had the legal right to release said information, therefore making it illegal for the site to have the information in the first place. Ignorance of this does not absolve them from following the law. That being said, since they couldn't have known that the information was illegally obtained, there's probably an argument there.
That's just a lie put forth by the digital hippies to get you to recycle your electronic waste. The landfills of the internet are technically infinite, so we should never have the issue with overpolluted tubes!
I would think the driver has at least as much, if not more, to do with what a safe speed in the car is. How do you set limits for different car/driver pairings? Do you make licenses for different skill levels and then color code license plates or something?
...not trying to be flippant, I'd really like someone to come up with a good, viable solution. Also, I think people should have more schooling in driving before being allowed to hoon a multi thousand pound vehicle around the streets.
Funny, I was actually checking my OBD reading of my speedo vs. my dash vs. GPS for my car...GPS is ~0.1-0.2 mph off what the car says fairly consistently. Though the dash readout doesn't do tenths of a mile per hour, it does appear to round .5 up.
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lock in...ugh...honestly. One of these days I'll learn to read before I post.
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I went to a locking once.
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I don't get it...you repeat his argument and then conclude that you're correct and he's wrong?
His whole point was that people don't care about the medium, but rather the content. Convenience of the medium (be it whip, disc, digital file, etc.) demands a price from the consumer. With digital distribution, costs of the medium drop to zero, so we're left with what? For me, convenience. Sure I could go torrent all the movies, but I'm lazy, so I'll pay my $10/mo and just watch them on Netflix, or I'll listen to the ads on Pandora. Some people don't have that $10 laying around, but they have abundant time, so they pirate. Life is tough sometimes.
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Seriously? Did you read AC's post?
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How about if I play it loud enough for an entire city to hear? Just because I'm using sound waves instead of radio waves for my broadcast, is it really no longer a broadcast?
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Not to mince words, but when you say it grants the usage, you mean it provides you the utility of having the ability to listen to that particular song yes? As such, aren't you saying that it's an instrument that allows listening to the music? So, irregardless of your stance on music, the license would then be a service that you provide in perpetuity to allow someone to access your song.
Yeah, we do the same thing with software. People who view it as a product really take issue with us not providing free upgrades. The rest recognize that a yearly subscription is a reasonable approach to it.
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How about if I create something that modifies Sony's code, but I'm not distributing their code, I'm only distributing mine, which allows you to add back in the 'Other OS' functionality?
Re: Lets do a very un-scientific survey here
1. As much as I can tell the difference between VHS and HD video. It's a huge difference. It also doesn't matter to me. I stream movies via Netflix on lo-def and I listen to songs that are compressed so bad they make AM radio sound good.
2. Absolutely not. I'm sure I don't represent the entire market, but expense and convenience are the top dogs as far as I'm concerned. If I've already got the song, paying to download a better version is both costly and inconvenient, so I won't do it. Allow me to click a button and have it update the songs in the background free of charge and I'll gladly upgrade.
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You probably don't want to ride in my car then. I've got two midrange speakers in a convertible where I stream Pandora through my phone directly to the amp. 54kbps @ 16-bit. Sure, the cymbals sound like TV static, but with the howl of the wind in your ears you have to imagine half the audio anyway.
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No, it's not. At least not in the United States. Check out a thing called first sale doctrine.
Context much?
Did you read the two paragraphs preceding as well as the one following the snippet you've taken? The context of the statement is about the innovation on the device side and is completely appropriate. It's meant to give context to their (admittedly lame) attempt to create an "Open Internet" for mobile devices. The gist of it being that the new openness of the OSes on devices has led to more useful handsets that should be able to access more than just the walled garden style internet that providers have given up to this point.
I agree that Android's inherit openness doesn't lend itself to this conclusion any more than Apple's iOS's capabilities; but conflating the statement and the intent is something I would not have expected from Tech Dirt. Is anyone reading the source and considering critical thinking skills above that of a middle schooler before writing these articles?
Sometimes they find things
Wish they hadn't found my pocket knife that'd I'd forgotten to remove when I parked. It wasn't the greatest knife, but it was pretty good, and it would open boxes and letters like a champ. Ah well, at least they had a wine key for sale at the gift shop next to my terminal, so if I was really wanting to cause some mayhem, the tools were available to me.
Re: Magazine. Not Clip.
Glad you said it. It's the little things, but it really is a fairly big difference. Reminds me of when reporters call all assault rifles "AK-47's"...sigh...
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I still call them French Fondles.
Re: Bartnicki v Vopper (2001)
"if a newspaper lawfully obtains..."
This is where you hit a snag. The legality of the release of that information is under question. The state may not have had the legal right to release said information, therefore making it illegal for the site to have the information in the first place. Ignorance of this does not absolve them from following the law. That being said, since they couldn't have known that the information was illegally obtained, there's probably an argument there.
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That's just a lie put forth by the digital hippies to get you to recycle your electronic waste. The landfills of the internet are technically infinite, so we should never have the issue with overpolluted tubes!
Re: I've a question for all you lawyers out there.
...so you think they're supposed to accept obvious patents? I think you've got one too many negatives in that sentence.
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...no, you don't get your money back if it is struck down. You settled, your deal is done.
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I would think the driver has at least as much, if not more, to do with what a safe speed in the car is. How do you set limits for different car/driver pairings? Do you make licenses for different skill levels and then color code license plates or something?
...not trying to be flippant, I'd really like someone to come up with a good, viable solution. Also, I think people should have more schooling in driving before being allowed to hoon a multi thousand pound vehicle around the streets.
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Funny, I was actually checking my OBD reading of my speedo vs. my dash vs. GPS for my car...GPS is ~0.1-0.2 mph off what the car says fairly consistently. Though the dash readout doesn't do tenths of a mile per hour, it does appear to round .5 up.