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Forget Whether Or Not DOGE Exists: Will Anyone Be Held Accountable For 600,000 Deaths?

from the where-are-the-legal-consequences dept

First, let’s dispense with the theater: the question of whether DOGE “still exists” as a formal entity completely misses the point. The always-misleadingly-named “Department of Government Efficiency” was never really about efficiency. It was Elon Musk’s excuse to gain access to the federal government’s fundamental systems and wreak havoc, Twitter-style—smashing anything that got in his way, enriching his allies, and dismissing any consequences with a wave of his hand.

The “headline” from a recent Reuters piece is the claim that DOGE has been disbanded eight months before its scheduled demise. Except that appears not to be true. The White House later disputed this story:

The spokesperson, in response to written questions, confirmed DOGE still exists as a temporary organization within the U.S. DOGE Service, and that Amy Gleason remains the acting administrator of USDS.

But, of course, most of this is just semantics, just as the “DOGE” name has always been semantics as well. The idea was, from the very beginning, a smash-and-grab job, in which Elon would get access to the fundamental (traditionally highly guarded) systems of the US government and wreak havoc, Twitter-style, in which anything he and his suck-up compatriots didn’t understand would be deemed “bad” and anything that helped enrich him and his friends would be deemed “good,” and any consequences (including destroying life-saving programs around the globe) would be dismissed with the wave of a hand, and no culpability.

“DOGE” took over a non-temporary organization: the previously highly effective US Digital Services group, and like a parasite, took over its host by expelling all of those who did good work. It will remain.

And, as Wired rightly notes, the DOGE bros are now fully embedded throughout the federal government.

“That’s absolutely false,” one USDA source says of reporting that DOGE has disbanded. “They are in fact burrowed into the agencies like ticks.”

Wired’s report has details on a bunch of DOGE bros with little-to-no relevant experience who are continuing the DOGE grift while employed throughout the federal government, detailing the new (and constantly changing) set of job titles of a bunch of the DOGE crew, almost all of which they seem wholly unqualified for.

But the bigger story may be now that they’re scattered across the bureaucracy without Elon as their shield, some of these DOGE operatives are starting to realize they might actually face legal consequences for the very real and very serious damage they caused. A recent Politico report noted that the younger members of the crew are getting genuinely worried about how this ends:

The fate of their shared endeavor was now in deep jeopardy, and for the youngest members of the DOGE operation the risk seemed personal. Musk had not been just their visionary leader. For them, he was their protector: the man who had a direct line to Trump, who they believed could pick up the phone and secure a presidential pardon if the worst came. Without his presence in Washington, they were suddenly exposed.

As the sun fell on downtown Washington, the displaced dozen joined up with fellow DOGE staffers atop the nine-story GSA building, armed with beer, pretzels and La Croix, and prepared for something akin to a wake. Word spread in group chats on Signal, and by 9 p.m. the rooftop area was full of dozens of staffers, some of whom had already left DOGE.

Amid the group photos and toasts, a senior DOGE figure named Donald Park tried to reassure his colleagues that they were still “brothers in arms” and that Musk would continue to protect them, according to three people who attended the gathering. Other DOGE leaders were less sanguine. “Guys, seriously,” one warned, “get your own lawyer if you need it. Elon’s great, but you need to watch your own back.”

The question of whether or not DOGE still exists completely misses the point. This team of overconfident know-nothings created real damage not just to the institution of the federal government, but to many essential projects around the globe. And they will never, ever, try to take responsibility for their ignorant smashing of the system.

Elon Musk, least of all. In recent interviews, he’s still rejecting the claims that the projects he gleefully cut resulted in any real world harm:

In an interview with entrepreneur Nikhil Kamath on his WTF Is podcast, Musk denied that DOGE’s sweeping cost-cutting efforts and its mandate to target federal “waste” included “stopping essential payments to needy people” in Africa.

“Fraudsters necessarily will come up with a very sympathetic argument. They’re not going to say, ‘Give us the money for fraud,’” Musk said. “They’re going to try to make these sympathetic-sounding arguments that are false.

“It’s going to be like the Save the Baby Pandas NGO, which is like, who doesn’t want to save the baby pandas? They’re adorable. But then it turns out no pandas are being saved in this thing, it’s just corruption, essentially.

“And you’re like, ‘Well, can you send us a picture of the panda?’ They’re like, ‘No.’ OK. Well, how do we know it’s going to the pandas?”

This answer deserves calling out specifically what Musk is doing here: he’s dismissing programs that distribute HIV medications, prevent malaria deaths, and provide tuberculosis treatment as if they were all hypothetical panda scams. These aren’t abstract NGOs of questionable provenance. These are well-established US government programs, that were run through USAID, with decades of documented outcomes, rigorous monitoring, and yes, those Inspectors General that Trump systematically fired to clear the way for DOGE’s rampage.

Musk’s condescending little fable about demanding photos of pandas would be merely insufferable if he were actually talking about pandas. But he’s not. He’s talking about programs where we don’t need to guess whether they work—we have the data. We know how many people received antiretroviral therapy. We know how many children were vaccinated. We know the mortality rates before and after these interventions. The “picture of the panda,” in this case, is six hundred thousand excess deaths since these programs were gutted. There’s your fucking picture, Elon.

What’s quite clear now is that DOGE did nothing to reduce government inefficiency. If anything, it created much greater inefficiency by forcing the federal government to try to reestablish essential programs (and rehire haphazardly fired experts) in a mad dash to keep certain aspects of the government from completely falling over. And that’s not to mention all the deaths. As Atul Gawande noted in the New Yorker:

We are now witnessing what the historian Richard Rhodes termed “public man-made death,” which, he observed, has been perhaps the most overlooked cause of mortality in the last century. Brooke Nichols, the Boston University epidemiologist and mathematical modeller, has maintained a respected tracker of current impact. The model is conservative, assuming, for example, that the State Department will fully sustain the programs that remain. As of November 5th, it estimated that U.S.A.I.D.’s dismantling has already caused the deaths of six hundred thousand people, two-thirds of them children.

The toll is appalling and will continue to grow. But these losses will be harder to see than those of war. For one, they unfold slowly. When H.I.V. or tuberculosis goes untested, unprevented, or inadequately treated, months or years can pass before a person dies. The same is true for deaths from vaccine-preventable illnesses. Another difficulty is that the deaths are scattered. Suppose the sudden withdrawal of aid raises a country’s under-five death rate from three per cent to four per cent. That would be a one-third increase in deaths, but hard to appreciate simply by looking around.

The real tragedy here is that Elon Musk gets to sit in a podcast studio and spin cute parables about imaginary panda fraud while actual children die from diseases we know how to prevent. The obscenity of comparing tuberculosis programs and HIV treatment to a hypothetical panda scam is breathtaking, even if it is totally predictable. This is what happens when you let tech billionaires play government efficiency expert: they’re perfectly comfortable with mass death as long as they can frame it as fighting “waste.” Six hundred thousand people—two-thirds of them children—aren’t hypothetical. They’re not pandas. They’re dead.

So no, the question isn’t whether DOGE “still exists” as an organizational chart entry. The question is whether anyone will be held accountable for six hundred thousand deaths and the systematic dismantling of programs that took decades to build. Those DOGE members nervously telling each other to “get your own lawyer”? They should be.

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Comments on “Forget Whether Or Not DOGE Exists: Will Anyone Be Held Accountable For 600,000 Deaths?”

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Mamba (profile) says:

There is no accountability in the current Republican Administration, this Republican Congress, or the Republican Supreme Court. Accountability will only come, if at all, from the next administration. And I expect the Democrats to completely fuck it up, given the opportunity, because the controlling members are Republican Lite at best.

his is not a call to violence, or approval of vigilantism. This is an acknowledgement that what Trump, the majority of Congress and the bulk of the Supreme Court are pursuing will not come to an end until enough people die that they take notice. Will it be the kids of famers dying from the abject poverty their parents ferociously pursued for them? Will it be Congress who die at the hand of the vary constitutions that voted for them? Or will it be the Justices dying in jail for the implicit corruption? I don’t know. But Republicans have made it clear they are married to Trump until their blood is spilled, to the detriment of us all.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Accountability will only come, if at all, from the next administration. And I expect the Democrats to completely fuck it up, given the opportunity

Just like last time there was an opportunity to bring a prior administration to justice for their crimes, they’re going to make bold declarations that we need to build bridges, forgive and forget, live and let live (except those kids, obviously, they don’t get to live, or the fishermen.)

They’ll proudly proclaim bipartisan compromise on extending DOGE’s mandate indefinitely, and hell, if they hadn’t caved on the shutdown, we know the first thing they’d have done back in power would have been to restore the filibuster after forcing Republicans to blow it up, because heaven forbid anyone expect them to be capable of governing unimpeded…

That One Guy (profile) says:

Now if bootlicking podcasts would stop inviting him to speak unchallenged...

Other DOGE leaders were less sanguine. “Guys, seriously,” one warned, “get your own lawyer if you need it. Elon’s great, but you need to watch your own back.”

It’s so incredibly telling that they’re telling each other to lawyer up, exposing that they know damn well that what they’re doing and have done is illegal. I dearly hope that all that fear and paranoia turns out to be fully justified and hope even more that even the best lawyers on the planet aren’t able to save them from being bankrupted and/or tossed in cells for a long time for the damage they’ve caused and assisted in.

As so Elon’s defense of his mass-murder it’s equal parts disgusting and dishonest but honestly about what I’d expect coming from a psychopathic fraud like him. As someone who knows he’s the smartest person in the room he clearly could never have been wrong or lying about all that ‘waste and fraud’ he found(but never kicked over for investigation and prosecution, funny that…) so I expect that even on his deathbed he’ll still be claiming that all those hundreds of thousands(if not millions by the time he drops dead) of corpses that are a direct result of his actions were simply fictional pandas that never existed in the first place.

Anonymous Coward says:

Will Anyone Be Held Accountable For 600,000 Deaths?

No, because it’s not the US government’s responsibility to prevent deaths in other countries. It might be good foreign policy, but in the end our government is responsible for its own people, not the entire world.

(To be clear: it emphatically is the US government’s responsibility to avoid actively killing people in other countries by, say, firing on a shipwreck in violation of the Geneva Convention.)

Strawb (profile) says:

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Will Anyone Be Held Accountable For 600,000 Deaths?

No, because it’s not the US government’s responsibility to prevent deaths in other countries. It might be good foreign policy, but in the end our government is responsible for its own people, not the entire world.

This isn’t a case of people wanting to help other countries and not having the option of doing so, thereby leading to foreign deaths.

It’s a case of existing programs helping other countries, and those programs being cut or massively downsized due to ignorant morons not understanding what they’re doing, and not caring that the cuts had impact on actual people.

You’re making a ridiculous strawman.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I don’t see how whether the programs are existing or not changes things much. It’s not like we have the money just sitting there; our debt is now so large it exceeds our GDP. If I owed more money than I make in a year I would probably reduce my charitable giving.

That said, on reflection I will concede that the money should have been paid. It doesn’t matter whether the programs were new or existing; what matters legally is that Congress allocated the money for them, and it’s not the President’s job to second-guess that just because he thinks the money would be better spent elsewhere.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Using the federal treasury for this is essentially sticking a gun in someone’s face and saying “this guy needs money; give him yours.” Because if you don’t pay the taxes that pay for this, eventually men with guns will come, shoot you if you resist hard enough, throw you in jail if you don’t, and seize anything you have regardless.

Also somehow 600K turned into millions in your comment.

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