The Judiciary Is Breaking Down: Federal Judges Now Openly Revolt Against SCOTUS Shadow Docket During Live Court Hearing
from the judicial-anarchy dept
We’ve been tracking the growing judicial revolt against the Supreme Court’s shadow docket nonsense, from individual district judges getting snarky in footnotes to anonymous judges speaking to reporters. But what happened Thursday at the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals crosses into entirely new territory: a full en banc panel of federal judges openly criticizing the Supreme Court’s approach during a live oral argument session.
This isn’t normal. Federal judges don’t usually air their grievances about the Supreme Court in open court. The fact that an entire appeals court panel—including respected conservative judges—turned their oral argument into what Politico called “a remarkable, 80-minute venting session” tells you everything about how broken the system has become.
The immediate catalyst was trying to figure out what to do with a case about DOGE’s access to Social Security data after the Supreme Court issued one of its trademark unexplained emergency orders. But the real issue was much bigger: how are lower courts supposed to function when the highest court in the land operates like it’s playing Calvinball?
“They’re leaving the circuit courts, the district courts out in limbo,” said Judge James Wynn… “We’re out here flailing. … I’m not criticizing the justices. They’re using a vehicle that’s there, but they are telling us nothing. They could easily just give us direction and we would follow it.”
Judge Wynn didn’t stop there:
“They cannot get amnesia in the future because they didn’t write an opinion on it. Write an opinion,” Wynn said. “We need to understand why you did it. We judges would just love to hear your reasoning as to why you rule that way. It makes our job easier. We will follow the law. We will follow the Supreme Court, but we’d like to know what it is we are following.”
I’ve been writing about the law for almost three decades. I’ve never seen anything like this. Ever. Not even in the same zip code as this. These are judges crying out for help under a completely lawless Supreme Court.
And, no, this wasn’t just liberal judges complaining. Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III—a Reagan appointee and one of the most respected conservative jurists in the country—was right there with them:
“The Supreme Court’s action must mean something,” said Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III, a Reagan appointee. “It doesn’t do these things just for the kicks of it.”
Even Wilkinson can’t figure out what the hell the Supreme Court is doing. When you’ve lost Harvie Wilkinson—a judge so conservative and institutionally minded that he’s basically judicial royalty—you’ve completely broken the system.
The specific case that triggered this judicial revolt involves the Supreme Court’s typical shadow docket bullshit. In June, the Court overruled the Fourth Circuit’s decision and lifted an injunction against DOGE’s use of Social Security data. But they did so in the most bizarre and troubling way. After sending the case back to the Fourth Circuit for more review, it said that even if the Fourth Circuit rules that DOGE is breaking the law, the stay will remain in place.
By an apparent 6-3 vote, the justices went further, saying that no matter what the appeals court decided, the injunction would remain on hold until the case returned to the Supreme Court. Yet, the high court’s majority offered no substantive rationale for the lower court to parse.
So the Supreme Court basically said: “We’re overturning you, and also whatever you decide doesn’t matter anyway, but we’re not going to tell you why.” This left the entire Fourth Circuit panel wondering what the fuck they’re even supposed to do.
That left many of the 15 4th Circuit judges on hand for Thursday’s unusual en banc arguments puzzling at their role. One even suggested the appeals court should simply issue a one-line opinion saying the injunction is lifted and kick the case back to the Supreme Court to resolve.
Some judges thought they should just give up entirely and punt the case back to SCOTUS since SCOTUS has already said whatever they decide here doesn’t actually matter. Others insisted they had a constitutional duty to actually do their jobs:
“It sounds like some of my colleagues think that there’s no work to be done, that we’re done because the Supreme Court has told us what the answer is,” said Judge Albert Diaz, an Obama appointee.
Judge Robert King said punting on the case would be a mistake.
“We each have a commission and we have a robe and we have an oath to abide by,” said King, a Clinton appointee.
This perfectly captures the impossible position the Supreme Court has created. Lower court judges literally don’t know if they’re supposed to do their jobs or just rubber-stamp whatever vibes they think they’re getting from the shadow docket.
The whole mess stems from a series of recent Supreme Court shadow docket rulings (without much explanation) basically telling lower courts they have to follow SCOTUS shadow docket rulings (also without much explanation) as binding precedent. But as we’ve written about extensively, these aren’t reasoned legal decisions—they’re often unexplained orders issued with minimal briefing, no oral arguments, and little to no explanation of any reasoning.
This has created a situation where experienced federal judges—people who’ve spent decades interpreting legal precedent (often longer than the Justices themselves)—literally can’t figure out what the Supreme Court wants them to do.
What we’re witnessing is the breakdown of the federal judiciary as a functioning institution. When Reagan and Obama appointees are united in open revolt, and Harvie Wilkinson can’t figure out what the Supreme Court wants, the system has collapsed.
The three liberal Justices have been warning about this in dissent after dissent, while the conservative majority just keeps issuing more unexplained orders and then getting pissy when lower courts can’t read their minds. This isn’t jurisprudence. It’s government by judicial decree, where constitutional law operates on vibes and the only consistent principle is “give Trump whatever he wants.”
When federal judges with decades of experience are reduced to public pleading for basic guidance during oral arguments, we’ve crossed into judicial authoritarianism. The Supreme Court has effectively told the entire federal judiciary: “Follow our orders, but we won’t explain what they mean, and if you guess wrong, we’ll scold you for defying us.”
That’s not how precedent works. That’s not how courts work. That’s not the rule of law. It’s just nine people in robes demanding deference to their unexplained whims.
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Comments on “The Judiciary Is Breaking Down: Federal Judges Now Openly Revolt Against SCOTUS Shadow Docket During Live Court Hearing”
It's not as bad as you paint it
Just six. Since precedent requires following the reasoning of the Supreme Court, the lower courts should just adopt the Supreme Court reasoning available to them, namely the usually well-reasoned dissents.
That would get the ass of the majority off the ground fast.
YES!
Thank you, 4th Circuit, on behalf of all of us confused and concerned citizens. Too many of the [name of your choice) docket decisions have been inexplicable. Some of them have been downright terrible, e.g., immigrant “prove your legal” stops. Many of them remain in limbo, and so do the multitude of people impacted. The Supreme Court does great damage to our faith in “justice” when they act in this seemingly arbitrary manner.
New flash: The Reaganites are not in charge anymore. SCOTUS did not “lose” Wilkinson. Trump and friends never had the Reagan wing of the GOP. The rise of Trumpism is a direct rejection of everything Reagan conservatism stood for, body and soul. Reagan and friends only ever LARPed about small government and fiscal discipline but at least they were solid about rule of law and opposition to socialism. The new kids aren’t even LARPing anymore and they fucking love socialism. Not the cuddly college activist socialism, but the brown shirt goose stepping tankie socialism.
Re: Uh...
You are confused because of a historical mistranslation. “National Socialism” would not actually translate back to “Nationalsozialismus” but to “Nationaler Sozialismus” which is not a thing. That is, the “National” in “Nationalsozialismus” is not a qualifier but a modifier. Actual socialists and communists were persecuted, interned and executed under the Nazi regime.
Conflating the two is not helpful and mainly done for propagandistic reasons. In the English-speaking world, this is done a lot more in the U.S. than in the UK and Commonwealth countries.
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The party was socialist before it was co-opted.
Regardless, yeah, it is … counterproductive, among other things, to refer to them as socialist. That is conservative argumentation tool going back decades at the least.
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That’s not ‘socialism’. Yeah, they put ‘socialism’ in the name, but they also put ‘Democratic People’s Republic’ in the name in North Korea.
What they like to call themselves may not be what they actually are.
From the outside looking in, it’s sad that US democracy is over. That most Americans haven’t even realized it yet is the real tragedy though.
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I don’t think it’s done for. The one saving grace we have going for us is that these people are all monumentally stupid incompetent morons who burn bridges like they breathe air. They got where they did by convincing a lot of people that they were competent truth tellers. They aren’t smart enough to keep that lie going and aren’t competent enough to hold onto the country they stole. Eventually, when the dumbasses who voted for him realize they’ve been taken for a ride (again!) the whole thing will fall apart.
The house of cards is already coming apart. We’re just in that torturous period between elections where there’s no opportunity to vote them out yet. If (somehow) Trump (or his successor) holds onto power come 2028 then it will be time to hang up the hat.
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If January 6th didn’t do the trick while Trump was out of office, nothing will while he is in.
But that can’t be! The website has Tech in the name!!!
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Then this will blow your (tongue in cheek) mind: I’ve been on the Internet for three and a half decades. Making tech comments in everything from Usenet to listservs to BestNetTech.
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Do you remember when TechRepublic was good?
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I remember well the good ol’ days of a dialup bbs listed in the back of a magazine. Five minutes of angry robot chiptune music on a 14,4 modem. Calling someone to troubleshoot the issue and then having to hang up, test it again, fail, call back, rinse, repeat.
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Heavens! To Murgatroyd! What manner of madness is this?!
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When he started writing, tech was the law, and the law was tech, and the tech was an in-law.
And hey, it was good.
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But also dirt. So he’s as old as dirt.
"Good Behaviour"
The standard for impeaching judges, BTW, including justices, is notably lower than that for impeaching Presidents: “The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour”. Arguably, what the majority is doing now… isn’t that.
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Impeachment is a political process, not a judicial one. Do you suggest that there will be a two thirds majority in the Senate for removing two thirds of the Justices from office?
Dream on.
Didn’t Justice Comey Barrett just say that “The Court doesn’t ‘do’ opinions”? (paraphrased).
In context, she claiming it was not a ‘popularity contest’ (which it indubitably is – Popular with six over unpopular with three is about how the whole darn thing works).
Perhaps the ABA was right when they marked her as ‘unqualified’ even for her initial judgeship – which was also courtesy of President Trump. From a small-firm family lawyer to US Supreme Court Justice in four years. What A Country.
Honestly, revolt is probably too strong. They’re not even saying anything about going against SCOTUS precedent, or not following unlawful rulings. But the situation is so messed up they can’t even do that.
Six.
'Why won't you take the hint?!' -SCOTUS
All this mess is a direct result of SCOTUS being too corrupt to follow the law and too gutless to just openly tell the lower courts that the new rule is ‘The regime never loses’.
The last time the supreme court tried this sort of thing, there was a bloody and hard won workers revolution.
The time before that they kick started what we call the civil war.
Maybe they should learn from history and the constitution and do their fucking jobs impartially instead of getting their grubby ‘personal beliefs and political ideals’ all over the law.