Trump & Bukele Plot US Citizen Detention In Salvadoran Torture Camps, While Defying Supreme Court Via Gibberish Responses To Reporters
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In a stunning White House appearance that should alarm anyone who cares about constitutional rights, democracy, the rule of law or anything of the sort, Donald Trump and Salvadoran dictator Nayib Bukele openly defied a Supreme Court order while discussing plans to expand El Salvador’s notorious detention system to imprison US citizens without due process. The meeting, which came just days after Trump admitted the US could retrieve Abrego Garcia from unlawful detention in El Salvador, devolved into the two leaders joking about imprisoning anyone while promoting a chilling vision of “liberation through incarceration.”
We had just posted our last article about how Donald Trump has admitted he could order Abrego Garcia returned to the US (as the Supreme Court has directly instructed the Trump admin to do) before meeting with Salvadoran dictator Nayib Bukele. We wondered if reporters would ask both Bukele and Trump about this, and they did. The answers are beyond stupid.
When a reporter asked Trump about his earlier comments saying that if the Supreme Court said to return Garcia to the US then the US government should follow through and have Garcia returned, Trump scolded the reporter:
Why don’t you just say, ‘isn’t it wonderful that we’re keeping criminals out of our country?’ Why can’t you just say that? Why do yo go over and over and that’s why nobody watches you anymore. You know you have no credibility.
Literally, all the reporter did was ask him about his on-the-record comments from three days ago.
As for the specific question about returning Garcia, Trump passed the question (after also mocking the news station the reporter worked for) to Attorney General Pam Bondi who was there:
Bondi responded with a series of false claims about both Garcia and what the Supreme Court actually ordered. Let’s break down each lie.
First, Bondi claimed:
First, and foremost, he was illegally in our country. He had been illegally in our country. And in 2019 two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court ruled that he was a member of MS-13 and he was illegally in our country. Right now, it was a paperwork… it was additional paperwork had needed to be done.
This is demonstrably false. As the Fourth Circuit noted with regards to Garcia, not only has the government presented no evidence that Garcia is a member of MS-13, but they actually abandoned this claim in court.
Finally, I turn to the Government’s assertion that the public interest favors a stay because Abrego Garicia is a “prominent” member of MS-13 and is therefore “no longer eligible for withholding relief.” …. Whatever the merits of the 2019 determination of the Immigration Judge (“IJ”) regarding Abrego Garcia’s connection to MS-13, the Government presented “[n]o evidence” to the district court to “connect[] Abrego Garcia to MS-13 or any other criminal organization.” … Indeed, such a fact cannot be gleaned from this record, which shows that Abrego Garcia has no criminal history, in this country or anywhere else, and that Abrego Garcia is a gainfully employed family man who lives a law abiding and productive life. Tellingly, the Government “abandon[ed]” its position that Abrego Garcia was “a danger to the community” at the hearing before the district court. … The balance of equities must tip in the movant’s favor based on the record before the issuing court. An unsupported — and then abandoned — assertion that Abrego Garcia was a member of a gang, does not tip the scales in favor of removal in violation of this Administration’s own withholding order
The Fourth Circuit further noted:
Even then, the Government’s “evidence” of any connection between Abrego Garcia and MS-13 was thin, to say the least. The Government’s claim was based on (1) Abrego Garcia “wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie,” and (2) “a vague, uncorroborated allegation from a confidential informant claiming he belonged to MS-13’s ‘Western’ clique in New York—a place he has never lived.”
But Bondi wasn’t done with the lies. She also claimed:
That’s up to El Salvador if they want to return him. That’s not up to us. The Supreme Court ruled, President, that if El Salvador wants to return… this is international matters, foreign affairs… if they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning: provide a plane.
That’s false. As we noted earlier today, the Supreme Court’s ruling directly says that the administration should “facilitate Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.” For Bondi to claim this means that if El Salvador “wants” to send him back they can send a plane is simply untrue.
A reporter then asked Bukele the same question, leading to an even dumber response:
Bukele: Are you suggesting I smuggle a terrorist into the United States, right? How can I smuggle… how can I return him to the United States? Like… I smuggle him into the United States, what would you do? Of course I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous. How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I don’t have the power to return him to the United States.
Reporter: But you could release him in El Salvador?
Bukele: Yeah, but I’m not going to release him. I mean I’m not very fond of releasing terrorists in our country. I mean we just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country in the Western hemisphere and you want us to go back, releasing criminals, so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world? No. [Laughs] That’s not going to happen.
Trump: [points to reporters] Well, they would love to have criminals released into our country. They would love it. They’re sick. [Points to reporters again] These are sick people.
Again, all of this is nonsense. Garcia is not a terrorist or a criminal. Again, the Fourth Circuit ruling made that clear. Second, there’s no “smuggling” involved. Literally seconds before this exchange, Bondi claimed (incorrectly as a matter of law) that the only thing the Supreme Court ordered them to do was to send a plane if Bukele agreed to release Garcia. So, literally the whole repetitive thing about “smuggling a terrorist into the US” is wrong on both key points: it’s not a terrorist and it wouldn’t be smuggling.
Bukele’s tangent about the “murder capital of the world” is also nonsense. Again, no one has said that Garcia has murdered anyone. Or that he’s violent. Or a criminal. Indeed, the US government had admitted that he’s lived a non-violent, non-criminal life in the US for many years.
All of this is framing basic due process rights as a threat to public safety, a rhetorical trick that autocrats have used throughout history to justify extrajudicial detention. No one should be falling for it here.
As for Trump saying the US media would love it if criminals were released into the US, I should remind you that the person who did the biggest mass release of criminals into the US was Donald Trump when he pardoned all of the convicted January 6th Capitol insurrectionists.
So, let’s be clear about this, because what happened in the White House today is absolute bullshit. The Supreme Court ordered the US government to see what could be done about getting Garcia back, acknowledging (as the US government had originally done, though they’re now trying to retcon in something else) that the government was forbidden by law from sending Garcia to El Salvador.
The US government has a contract with El Salvador that explicitly calls out that the US gets the “decision” on those prisoners’ “disposition.” Thus, the US can easily tell El Salvador to send Garcia back. Bukele’s false claims about “smuggling a terrorist” into the US are unrelated to the issue at hand. Both of them are lying in pursuit of building modern concentration and torture camps.
But the most chilling revelations came from an unguarded moment before the official White House stream began. In footage captured by Bukele’s team, Trump can be heard urging the construction of five more CECOT-style camps, specifically mentioning his desire to send “homegrown” — meaning US citizens — to these facilities:
When reporters later pressed him on this point, Trump didn’t back down. Instead, he openly endorsed the idea of sending US citizens to Salvadoran torture hellholes:
Trump’s sudden concern about “criminals that rape women” rings particularly hollow coming from someone who famously boasted about sexually assaulting women and who was found liable for sexual assault. But the exchange got even more chilling when Bukele introduced his Orwellian concept of “liberation through imprisonment,” which had Trump practically giddy with excitement.
Bukele: Sometimes they say that we imprisoned thousands. I like to say that we liberated millions.
Trump [leaning in and looking excited]: That’s very good!
[Everyone laughs]
Trump: Who gave him that line? You think I can use it? [Laughs]
Bukele: In fact, Mr. President, you have 350 million to liberate. But to liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. [shrugs] That’s just the way it works.
Let’s be absolutely clear about what we witnessed today: A foreign dictator stood in the White House and openly suggested that the path to “liberating” 350 million Americans requires imprisoning those deemed problematic — with the obvious implication (given how things have gone so far) being that this should happen without charges, without trials, without due process. And the President of the United States not only agreed, but was enthusiastic about adopting this framework of authoritarian repression.
If you don’t see all of this as one of the darkest days in American history, in which the President is openly embracing disappearing people without due process in the name of “liberty,” you are a part of the problem. Fascism has risen in America, and it is being aided by a foreign dictator whom Trump admires.
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Comments on “Trump & Bukele Plot US Citizen Detention In Salvadoran Torture Camps, While Defying Supreme Court Via Gibberish Responses To Reporters”
I’m just surprised to see Trump concede title of ‘World’s Coolest”.
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Hey, maybe you’re on to something here. If everyone starts sucking up to Bukele and says he’s so much better than Trump, maybe that’ll make Trump distance himself? /s
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https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/nx-s1-5361119/the-worlds-coolest-dictator-heads-to-the-white-house
“Philosopher King”
You can fairly judge a person by their friends and enemies
Boy all that sanewashing convicted felon Trump to try to get on his good side sure is paying off for the press now, isn’t it?
As for Trump himself, he’s apparently decided to drop the facade entirely and show that when he said he’d be a dictator on day one he didn’t mean that he’d be a dictator for a day, he meant that that’s when he’d start being one, and meanwhile his supporter and collaborators have similarly gone masks off to show the world what sort of people they really are.
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If someone can simply be declared a criminal without due process through the courts, then anyone can- including you. And don’t think being a loyalist will save you. The leopards don’t care whose faces they eat.
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As usual
Siding with the criminals instead of the victims of gang violence.
At least Wired is consistently on the wrong side.
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Hey David. Thanks for joining us. You might want to try joining reality as well.
Who are the criminals here? Where is the gang violence? So far, the only convicted criminal in this discussion is Donald Trump. The only one who pushed gang violence is… Donald Trump.
So, no, the only one ‘siding with the criminals instead of the victims of gang violence’ is you.
I know you think that you must suck up to Trump at all costs, but most normal people can do basic math and see who the real criminals are here.
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Criminal? Please due cite the trial that was declared at
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Yeah, we don’t need criminals, we’re pretty well against them.
Calling random people you don’t like “criminals” does not magically make them so. You don’tbelieve that though. You’re certain if you label people you don’t like as “criminals” long and loud enough that you can magically make them criminals. And then you can do all sorts of illegal and extrajudical things to them because why not?
Alos there’s a lot of projection here from criminals and criminal-wannabes like the administration or yourself.
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Trump is a convicted criminal.
Abrego García is not a convicted criminal.
These are factual statements.
You’re literally on the side of criminals.
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And Trump is the only person to imprison to have 350 million liberated.
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So, would you like to be accused of being a gang member, deported, locked up in a hellhole prison, and be denied a chance to return home when even SCOTUS says you should be? You seem to think that’s OK.
If you deny basic civil rights to people you don’t sympathize with, then you don’t have any civil rights either.
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Smearing innocent people as gang members to justify torturing them is despicable even for you.
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Cool David, very cool. Now I’ve accused you of being a terrorist, you will now be disappeared without trial because of my accusation. Enjoy!
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Hey, it’s another moron too stupid to understand he’s been told lies and is now spreading them across the internets.
Stupid fucking child.
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Poor stupid and ignorant is no way to go through life unless you’re named Koby.
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What fucking criminal, moron? This guy was deported over a fucking Bulls hat. The criminal is the one you’re defending for stripping a person of due process and sending them to a goddamn torture camp.
i can certainly think of a few people who should be imprisoned to liverate 350 million people.
When every day keeps being another darkest day in American history, how long until you admit that the current American Experiment has failed spectacularly? Because like, once the dust and ashes settle, we cannot societally go back to the Constitution as it is, where we legally allowed, for example, people running for office to spread lies about immigrant communities stealing and eating pets. All with the intent to incite violence against said communities.
You’ve done a good job reporting on all of the horrid fascist shit that Trump & Musk have been carrying out. But I’d love to read or hear about what you think needs to happen after this. We need ideas and concepts and more of hopeful stuff that can happen in the future, building systems that won’t let this happen again.
Reporting factually on the horrors of today and getting a jumpstart on political changes for a hopeful tomorrow is how we’re going to get through this.
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What makes you think there will be another election? At least one with more than one name on the ballot. I predicted in 2016 that Trump would not leave office willingly; at this point I don’t expect another meaningful presidential election at least in his lifetime.
Another distraction so people don’t notice the insider trading happening by Trump and his cronies.
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in what conceivable fucking way is insider trading the bigger issue here
The US Courts really do have very limited jurisdiction
There is one factor in this sorry story that I’m amazed the Trump administration hasn’t (explicitly) argued:
Abrego was mistakenly deported to his home country.
This, to me, is the ball game.
The Salvadorian government have the power to issue, deny or otherwise prevent its citizens to travel or leave the country. Without the United States granting Abrego citizenship, and thus the right for Abrego to return to the US as a matter of law – but even this is tenuous as Abrego remains an Salvadorian citizen regardless, this is a matter that is rooted in diplomacy and not a court order.
Whereas non Salvadorians are confined by contract of the US Government, Abrego holds a different status.
The argument that the United States is powerless to order a sovereign nation to effectively extradite (or more charitably ‘return’) one of their own citizens is an arguable point of law with merit that I can see being one that the Supreme Court attempts to sidestep.
It’s a mess, but one that may take four years and a favourable election result to resolve, if he even survives that long.
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“It’s a mess, but one that may take four years and a favourable election result to resolve, if he even survives that long.”
How charitable of you to assume he even plans to leave given who he admires.
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I just want one reporter to ask Trump, Miller, or any other admin person:
“Are you saying that the President — the author of ‘Art of the Deal’ — feels incapable of successfully negotiating a deal?”
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This cute crap does not work, and has never worked. C’mon man. Think about the scale of the horror you’re witnessing and think about whether a “sick burn” is really where your mind should be.
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The time for being smarmy and mocking Spay-tan Caligula with those kind of questions was during the campaign. But that’s why bringing this up should make you stop, think, and then get infuriated beyond words.
Just doing this even once would still be more than what the press does right now now – which is simply nod quietly when given rambling bullshit answers to questions.
None of this happened in a vacuum. It was enabled and still continues to be.
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It could have worked if we were back in 2016, but no one wanted to.
Hell, it would have even made for great TV – a screaming man-child getting increasingly angry at his own words being thrown back at him would have been some of the best entertainment on network TV in a century. So there was no excuse for the press not to have done it back then instead of just standing quietly mouth-breathing away while he did the verbal equivalent of dragging his ass across the floor like a dog.
You’re right that it wouldn’t matter today. The window in which it would have worked is long sealed. But the fact that even now the press can’t manage to do even this is very telling about just how complicit they are in all of this.
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And what would be the point of adking this question?
First, Trump would just give a rambling nonsense answer.
Second, the media, as usual, would just excuse it and not press him on it.
Where’s the outrage from the media when he says things like this? If Biden did 1/10 of what Trump did, Republicans would be all over Fox News calling for his head. Yes when Trump does something shocking, we complain for a few days until he does something else shocking.
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Sure, they could come up with a plausible pretext if they wanted to.
But they don’t want to. We’ve reached the point where they’re willing to say “fuck you” to the Supreme Court right out in the open.
“Fascism has risen in America, and it is being aided by a foreign dictator whom Trump admires.”
You mean Putin, not Bukele, right?
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Not a US citizen
Not a US citizen. IS a El Salvador citizen. Probably is or was in MS-13 (that was determined in court) but DEFINITELY here illegally. He was deported to El Salvador. What El Salvador does with him is their business, we can’t force anything, just ask nicely.
This entire article is completely wrong.
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I get that you don’t actually read the articles before making stupid ass comments showing you’re ignorance, but JFC, this is embarrassing.
In the article, I discuss Trump saying, directly, he wants to send US citizens to Salvadoran concentration camps.
Are you okay with that?
Again, as cited IN THIS ARTICLE, the only actual Article III courts to review his supposed gang association pointed out that there is no actual evidence supporting that. The claim that it was “determined in court” is false. It was declared by a DOJ employee, not in an Article III court.
No, just every stupid assertion you make in your comment, because you’re a very, very stupid fascist apologist who no one likes.
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Yeah, so you’re just being misleading on purpose?
It’s not false, you’re just lying. There were several court cases, it was determined in one of the early ones he was an MS-13 gang member. A later judge said “there’s no evidence of that” but that’s not true, of course.
In fact, the entire basis of saying he can’t go back to El Salvador was that rival gangs would kill him.
Nonetheless, he’s still illegal, absolutely needs to be deported, regardless. Deporting him somewhere ELSE would be very strange.
You’re just lying all over the place.
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It’s funny how you ignore all the parts you got wrong which I called out in my reply. Why? Because I caught you lying.
And, no, I’m not the one lying here. The only Article III courts to actually look at the evidence said there is none that he was an MS-13 member. I know that Bondi and Miller claimed “courts” said he was an MS-13 member, but that’s not true. It was an immigration judge (a DOJ employee, not an article III court) who simply said for the purposes of determining if it should issue a bond would accept a filing from the Prince George police dept, even as that judge admitted there were problems with the police filing (including that it said he was a part of MS-13 in NY, where he did not live).
It was not an Article III court. It was no a full examination of the evidence. It was solely to see whether or not he could be bonded out.
“Needs” is a bit of question begging by you. No he doesn’t need to be deported at all.
No, Matty. Unlike you, I’ve read the underlying materials, rather than just taking talking points from fascist sociopaths.
You might want to ask yourself why you take those talking points and accept them as fact. You’re just a little mewing sheep, huh, willing to repeat the talking points Stephen Miller cooks up. A mindless automoton.
A pathetic weakling.
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Not only does he not need to be deported, there was a court order specifying that he was to be protected from deportation.
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Hey Davie we know it’s you bro.
Please feel free to apologise for wasting our time.
Lou Reed was right...
“Americans…
“Stick a fork in their ass and turn ’em over, they’re done””
Nice democracy you had there for a while.
Now who or what is going to constrain Trump from doing whatever the fuck he wants from now on?
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I really would love for everyone who screeched (and is still screeching) “The courts will save us!” to shut up now.
All the failsafes and systems that supposed experts told us about, those failsafes did not do their job. Whatever forms of government that rebuke fascism come next in the regions that made up the United States, they’re going to have to look at the mistakes and naivete of the people so enamored with the Constitution and say “never again”.
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They were never serious. Their only goal was the same as the religious right – to put on a show to stoke their egos and give themselves ass-pats and then go back to enjoying their comforts.
It’s darkly comical that the internet has given us spaces for both ends of the political spectrum to hold their Two Minutes Hate whenever they feel like it and it’s even more effective than Orwell imagined.
I brought this up in a previous article about this, that the proper recourse isn’t to sit and wait for Trump et al to laugh in your face when you ask them really nicely, but people didn’t like me skipping past that part. Apparently it was really important to double triple check if Trump could in fact, if he really wanted to, bring Mr Garcia back. So now we know the truth. Trump says he can, but doesn’t want to. Bukele says he can’t, and doesn’t want to. Perhaps someone could ruminate on whether either of those things is correct or incorrect or a lie or a truth. I’m not really interested in doing so.
Someone broke a law. I refuse to believe that banishing lawful residents who are accused of no crime to a foreign gulag is not somehow illegal. I refuse to believe that there is not a law which covers that specific act. I am not interested in what Dr. Trump, Very Stable Genius, PhD has to say about it because his words are immaterial to the facts of the case. Someone broke a law. The courts need to pick this back up and begin issuing contempt charges (with imprisonment) to people who will not comply with their orders.
Perhaps the justices are afraid that the president will ask a mob to torch the Supreme Court and literally murder them to death, as he is wont to do from time to time. That’s a valid fear, perhaps. But I think if you sign up to be a Supreme Court Justice for the United States, you’ve signed up for that responsibility.
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I agree. I am tired of hearing stuff like, “The courts work slowly”, when Trump and his allies depend on shit going slow so that they can keep hurting others and solidify all of this as the new normal.
There is no more room for the courts going slowly. They have to issue contempt charges to lock this scum up.
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I’ll reiterate my own response to that which is to say you’re not wrong – but the people who are supposed to do something about it don’t care.
A rule means nothing if the people who are supposed to enforce it are the same ones who are happily breaking it.
You can’t use the system to stop the people who are now in charge of the system.
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Criminal contempt is subject to presidential pardon. That doesn’t mean the courts shouldn’t impose it, but it means you may not want to get your hopes up about anyone being jailed for it.
Civil contempt isn’t pardonable. That’s likelier to produce results, I think, though there are no guarantees.
Correction
Should say ‘Bukele’
Safest country in the western hemisphere? In what world is that even slightly true?
Knowing this was coming doesn’t make it any less devastating.
America was never perfect, but it used to be better than this.