Court Allows Government To Continue Stalling While Abrego Garcia Remains In Hell

from the too-little,-too-slow dept

Abrego Garcia is being held incommunicado in a foreign torture camp. As far as anyone knows, he has no idea that he is the subject of a Supreme Court ruling and a high-profile legal battle to get him home. He likely doesn’t even know if his family, or anyone else, knows where he is. We don’t know for sure either, as the government has refused to provide any official update on his whereabouts.

I think those are important facts to keep in mind when considering today’s ruling (which should be released in written form soon) in the District Court of Maryland, which allows the government to continue stalling and saying nothing, so long as they do so via daily updates.

Update: The written order (pdf) has now been released.

To recap: as we wrote about this morning, yesterday the Supreme Court ruled that DHS must comply with the district court order to “facilitate” Garcia’s release and to provide information on his current location, their efforts so far, and their plans to do so going forward. Judge Paula Xinis then quickly updated her original order with a tight deadline of early this morning, then granted a two-hour extension. The government’s lawyers missed the deadline then filed a late response, refusing to comply with the order on the basis that they were unable to do so.

This was all in the lead-up to a brief, tense hearing earlier this afternoon. The DOJ attorney repeatedly told Judge Xinis, who reporters say was visibly frustrated, that the administration is “not yet prepared” to share any information, and that they “disagree fundamentally” on the status of the court’s order.

After Xinis told the government “we’re not going to slow-walk this”, Garcia’s lawyers then made what seems like an entirely appropriate request: that the judge order administration officials with personal knowledge of Garcia’s whereabouts to appear before the court and testify:

A tweet from Politico reporter Kyle Cheney's live coverage of the hearing, which reads:

Lawyers for Abrego Garcia say the Trump administration is "playing games," depriving DOJ of information the court has demanded. They want her to demand testimony from officials in the know.

XINIS seems reluctant for now. Says she may do a "very quick briefing order."

But the judge was apparently not prepared to do so. Instead, she promised an order for daily status updates from the government on what they were doing to facilitate Garcia’s release. When the DOJ attorney called this “impractical”, Judge Xinis replied that then they can “say that every day” in their status updates:

A tweet from reporter Mike Hellgren's live coverage of the hearing, reading:

“We are not able to meet the court’s deadlines because they are impractical,” govt atty says. 

Judge tells him—you can say that to me and the public every day. “I hope you will in good faith comply and we’ll just take it from there… I do know that I want daily updates until this matter is resolved.” 

She says she’ll put it in an order.

Maybe that’s not “slow-walking”, but it sure as hell isn’t sprinting either. The Trump administration is not cowed by the prospect of having to report their lack of effort to the public — they have been openly boasting about Garcia’s deportation and imprisonment this entire time, and mocking all those (including Judge Xinis) who demand his return. And yet she has effectively invited them to continue stalling and stonewalling the court, as long as it’s on a fixed schedule.

When it comes to this administration, on this appalling case, I can’t think of many words a judge could utter that are more weak and worthless than “I hope you will in good faith comply”.

The door is not closed on further action from the court, and there will be another hearing next week. Until then, Abrego Garcia remains (as far as we know) unaware that any of this is happening, locked up in a Salvadoran prison designed to snuff out his humanity and make him resign himself to spending the rest of his life there, under the jurisdiction of a government that has taken the official position that he is a terrorist never to be released, led by a dictator who callously mocked the idea that he ever would be.

I doubt it would bring him much comfort to know that the Trump administration is now required to issue a daily statement about their indifference to, or indeed their celebration of, his situation.

And as long as we’re remembering that, let’s remember something else too: Garcia is just one of at least 238 men who have been trafficked, without due process, into this same fate. Almost none of them have any criminal record; many seem to have been declared gang members based on unrelated tattoos that indicate no gang affiliation.

Among them are Andry Hernandez, a hairdresser and makeup artist who was legally applying for asylum and was later, by total coincidence, witnessed by a photographer calling out for his mother and being brutalized during his admission to the CECOT torture camp in El Salvador; and Neri Avarado, a Dallas bakery worker who was declared a gang member on the basis of an autism awareness tattoo dedicated to his autistic brother; and Zambrano Perez, father of an asylum-seeking family, who has never seen his two-month old daughter since she was born after he was kidnapped by ICE over a tattoo of a crown he got when he was 15 years old; and Artuo Suarez and Jerce Reyes Barrios, both of whom entered the US through legal channels and were, again, kidnapped on the basis of tattoos (and, in Barrios’s case, a blurry photo of him as a 13-year-old making a “rock and roll” hand gesture).

Some of these men’s families only know where they are being held because they spotted them in media photos of prisoners being frogmarched through the halls of CECOT; many of the families don’t even have that; none of the families have any idea if they will ever come home. Every day — every hour — that this continues is an hour the US government is committing a brutal crime of the highest order.

But oh well, I guess officials get another day, and another day after that, and who knows how many more days, to even admit they know where he is.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

I’m always a little amazed, but not surprised, that the kind of people who want to turn the United States into an explicitly Christian nation are also the kind of people who act so unlike the namesake of their religion. But I guess when one’s only interest is social and cultural domination at any cost, one tends to overlook things like morals and ethics and the law.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: 'The only acceptable Jesus is REPUBLICAN Jesus!'

It makes more sense once you realize that the majority of american ‘christians’ hold nothing but contempt towards all that pathetic ‘turn the other cheek’, ‘take care of the poor and sick’ crap that woke loser Jesus might have said and just use the book/religion as a bludgeon to get their way and a shield to protect themselves from criticism by claiming anyone that disagrees with or opposes them is doing so because they hate christians/christianity.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The time for people to stop being amazed at the level of cruelty and hypocrisy on display was 5 years ago. 10 years ago, probably, if we’re being honest. We needed to start organizing a democratic and electoral response to the cruelty and hypocrisy back then instead of focusing on collecting upvotes nonstop with posts like “But I thought that the GOP was the party of small government!” or “I don’t think that Jesus talked about this. These folks aren’t very Christian, huh?”.

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maura says:

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“Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, you can justify it in the end.”

So much of religion, past and present, just seems like a justification to behave poorly towards others and to amass power and wealth. I just wish they’d stop picking and choosing what to be horrible about. Like why am I singled out for the sin of homosexuality when I know plenty of Christians who work in the sabbath and eat shell fish when they shouldn’t. Where’s the persecution for those people?

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Leah Abram (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Exactly. I’m both trans and gay, and from what I know about the Bible (both the Hebrew Tanakh and the Christian Bible), is that

  1. there are 6 to 8 genders in the talmud (more intersex than trans, but the “Saris Adam” gender can be interpreted as a transgender woman. Besides, not even the Jewish sages of antiquity limited themselves to only two genders.
  2. in the Christian bible, Jesus said nothing about being gay, but said a lot about how one treats the poor (like the whole camel-through-an-eye-of-a-needle thing).

With some exceptions (such as the Quakers and the United Church of Christ), too much of Christianity today is white supremacy in Jesus’ robes.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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the kind of people who want to turn the United States into an explicitly Christian nation

Nominally Christian, not actually Christian. That way, power-seeking people get to appeal to an unquestionable authority when it helps them. But there’s enough other shit in the bible that they can also weasel out when necessary. (Like, obviously “thou shalt not kill” needs some implied exceptions; even God killed people.)

The Torah and Quran are, of course, used in the same way, in the countries where those are popular.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Quite so. Franklin Graham, a prominent evangelical minister of the political religious right, said Trump is a man of integrity and when questioned by a reporter on the questionable aspects of Trump’s character, the answer he gave is a reference to scripture about “let the one without sins cast the first stone” thing. It’s like judge but when you don’t want to judge, cop out using that scripture.

B-Rex (profile) says:

Stupid on so many levels, not least financially.

For an administration hell bent on saving money, each day this false imprisonment continues, the compensation that may be awarded increases. That’s before the millions of tax payer dollars that will be spent simply defending hundreds of claims against the government for this flagrant constitutional breach.

This is of course secondary to the need for this man and the others to be returned to the US, but it is quite possible that they may then need to flee somewhere else to seek asylum from the very country they thought they could flee to for their safety.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Someone apparently likes being slapped around...

After Xinis told the government “we’re not going to slow-walk this”, Garcia’s lawyers then made what seems like an entirely appropriate request: that the judge order administration officials with personal knowledge of Garcia’s whereabouts to appear before the court and testify:

Five minutes later

But the judge was apparently not prepared to do so. Instead, she promised an order for daily status updates from the government on what they were doing to facilitate Garcia’s release. When the DOJ attorney called this “impractical”, Judge Xinis replied that then they can “say that every day” in their status updates:

Judge: I’m not going to listen to excuses, you will do X.

Government: No.

Judge: … well okay then, I guess I’ll just give you a chance to make a mockery of me on a daily basis then by telling me no. But you’d better follow that order or else!

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Thad (profile) says:

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A finding that they didn’t comply with the order isn’t nothing; it’s a step toward a contempt finding.

The problem is that the courts move fucking glacially. I’ve had the displeasure of dealing with a civil dispute on a much less consequential matter, and it’s shocking how long every single thing takes.

The other problem is making a contempt finding and actually making it stick. That’s not going to be easy.

Diogenes (profile) says:

suspicion

“DHS must comply with the district court order to “facilitate” Garcia’s release and to provide information on his current location,”

I got a feeling they never delivered to El Salvador at all. They may have just dropped them in the ocean like Argentina did in the 80’s. They cant comply because they dont know where he is.

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Tavis says:

Re: Human Trafficking.

If you can refer to the abduction of a person with protected status and subsequent trafficking of them without giving them the right to defend themselves in court before they are removed to an extrajudicial labor camp to serve cruel and unusual punishment “legal state action”, there is something far more troubling than theft going on.

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Stephan Kinsella (profile) says:

Re: Re: ever hear of the drug war or conscription?

Uh, you are aware that it’s currently legal for the state to imprison (enslave) you if you do things it outlaws, like (a) sell drugs, (b) evade taxes, (c) refuse to be conscripted. This is the nature of the state. It’s criminal and evil already. Always has been.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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you are aware that it’s currently legal for the state to imprison (enslave) you if you do things it outlaws

That requires due process to determine if you did the things the state accuses you of doing. The people being snatched off streets by masked ICE agents and transported around the U.S.⁠—and in numerous cases like this one, outside of the U.S.⁠—are being denied any form of due process, even just to determine that they’re not legally in the country. Downplaying the severity of that state of affairs isn’t a good look for anyone.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Tell me about how your beloved due process helped these people:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/say-their-names-list-people-injured-killed-police-officer-involved-incidents/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

Of course you couldn’t care less about the fact that a group can legally enslave you, but so long as you feel like they won’t come after you just because it’s too much work right now for them to do it compared to others.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Hey, so, I’ve condemned Dredd-like extrajudicial executions by the police for a good long while. And I’ve also condemned wrongful convictions that occured based on vibes/racism/etc. This schtick where you’re trying to guilt trip me into thinking, saying, or doing only and exactly what you want me to think, say, or do isn’t working now and won’t work in the future.

Are you really so desperate for my approval that you’re going to keep doing this shit, or is this some other kind of weird parasocial thing? Either way, I’m not the person who will validate you or your parking, so go find someone else to be weird at.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Your narcissism really knows no bounds does it?

You can’t even imagine a world where someone can point out that even having the legal process to enslave someone is immoral as having a good point because it would mean accepting you could be wrong about something.

Instead it has to be some kind of “para-social” thing because you’re such a fucking dunce you don’t know what that even means and are too much a narcissist to look it up.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

I’ve been dealing for months with people demanding I concede my morals, ethics, and principles to theirs and agree wholeheartedly with positions that I don’t fundamentally agree with for the sake of…I’unno, they want to turn me to some Leftist Dark Side or some shit? I’m not even really sure at this point. So I’m not exactly eager to start agreeing with people who seem like they’re needling me into that because they think that have some sort of weird relationship with me even though they’ve never actually met me.

That said: My belief in due process is idealistic, yes, but it is also tinged with the knowledge that the process, as practiced in this country, has been unfair for marginalized people for decades (if not centuries). I don’t put my whole-ass faith in the process because the process has convicted innocent men, whether intentionally or not.

And yes, I’m well aware that the Trump administration is abusing the law to sidestep due process, and I’m more than aware that such abuse is the starting point for further abuses that ends with the jailing, enslavement, and potential execution of Trump critics. What do you want me to do about that when I don’t have the resources to do anything significant about…well, anything significant?

Rocky (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Tell me about how your beloved due process helped these people

A stupid argument but lets take it to the logical conclusion implied by it, you are suggesting that due process is worthless because the process isn’t 100% perfect.

So tell me, if you think due process is such a horrible concept what do you propose to do about it? Shoot up some court rooms? Take judges hostage? Murder cops? Overthrow the government and become a dictator? What are your solution and what are you actually doing to implement it?

You harassing a single person on the internet expecting the world to change is as useless as pissing in a lake with the intent to burst its banks.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Of course the founder of his personal fanclub would also be too much of a disingenuous dunce to overlook the actual point – that the police and justice system shouldn’t have the power to actually punish people in such immoral ways in the first place.

But hey, so long as it’s not you who’s being the target right now, you can always give each other ass-pats for being smugly right about everything.

Now get on back to giving your object of affection some more polish.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

the police and justice system shouldn’t have the power to actually punish people in such immoral ways in the first place

Yeah, no shit, it shouldn’t. I’m against both the death penalty and turning prisoners into slave labor. If that’s all you wanted to hear from me, there you have it. If you want something else from me, have the balls to say so directly to me instead of attacking other people for calling your weird-ass harassment exactly what it is.

Anonymous Coward says:

Barrios’s lawyer claimed Barrios was signing “ILY” (I love you) in ASL (American Sign Language) That what Dailymoth (Deaf News blog) reported. Rock and roll gesture is signed with two fingers out, (like bull sign in ASL), no? ILY ASL sign is three fingers out.

I saw a picture of Barrios using what looked like ILY sign, three fingers out. I don’t know if that picture is what the BestNetTech article was talking. If that was supposed to be ILY, I do think he not signing it right, the palm orientation should be facing away from the body.

I read that some gang in EL Salvador use a gesture that look like ILY ASL sign, but I haven’t seen it so I don’t know if the palm orientation is backward like Barrios’ sign or a normal ILY ASL sign.

So who knows if that sign of Barrios is ASL or a El Salvador gang sign?

Anonymous Coward says:

stefan Kinsella us correct about state power, but the only solution to avoid the rise of nation states is to summarily execute any individual who tries to or has the ambition to become a leader. As long as you have leaders that give orders that need to be followed, those orders can include tyrrany and violence that override morals.

AntifaUS says:

Stefan the libertarian

stefan is correct, but the problem is leadership and hierarchies that cause immoral/violent actions or laws to be imposed. Even in tribal societies you can have tyrrany. the problem isnt the size or complexity of the government; the problem is allowing the existence of hierarchies where someone above you can order you to do something immoral/violent at the threat of violence or at the threat of deadly levels of physical deprivation (like hoarding food for those at the top).

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