Even If Those Weren’t War Plans In Hegseth’s Signal Chat, They Were War Crimes
from the you-can't-jedi-mindtrick-your-way-out-of-this dept
When the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg revealed this week that senior White House officials had accidentally added him to their Yemen bombing planning session on Signal, he did something remarkable: he actually protected operational security better than the officials themselves did.
While Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and others now insist “Nobody was texting war plans,” the administration’s frantic response suggests they know they’ve stepped in something worse. Their defense has evolved through four increasingly desperate stages:
- Saying that Goldberg is a liar and a sleazy journalist
- Claiming that this was just a little mistake, and no big deal
- Insisting that no actual classified info was shared and…
- Saying that even if it was real (it was), and was a mistake (it was) and classified info was shared (it was) that none of it mattered because the Yemen attack was just great.
It has yet to be explained why, if Goldberg is such a terrible journalist, they then added him to their group chat to plan an attack, but we’ll leave that aside for now.
Part of that response included multiple claims, mainly from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, that absolutely no war plans were shared in the chat. Also, many other administration officials swore up and down, including under oath to Congress, that no classified info was shared.
Goldberg and the Atlantic responded by… sharing the remaining messages. First, he notes the vehement denials from the admin:
On Monday, shortly after we published a story about a massive Trump-administration security breach, a reporter asked the secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, why he had shared plans about a forthcoming attack on Yemen on the Signal messaging app. He answered, “Nobody was texting war plans. And that’s all I have to say about that.”
At a Senate hearing yesterday, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Ratcliffe, were both asked about the Signal chat, to which Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic, was inadvertently invited by National Security Adviser Michael Waltz. “There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal group,” Gabbard told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Ratcliffe said much the same: “My communications, to be clear, in the Signal message group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.”
President Donald Trump, asked yesterday afternoon about the same matter, said, “It wasn’t classified information.”
Then he proved them all to be liars.


The messages couldn’t be clearer. Details of precise strike timing, delivered just hours before bombs actually dropped, along with specific weapons information — information that anyone with even passing familiarity with classified material (or basic common sense) would recognize as obviously classified. Even Fox News’ own national security reporter noted that every expert she spoke to said, if anything, what Hegseth texted was actually worse than what is commonly referred to as “war plans.”

The key bit from that:
“Attack orders” or “attack sequence” puts the joint force directly and immediately at risk, according to former senior defense official #1. “It allows the enemy to move the target and increase lethal actions against US forces.”
This kind of real time operational information is more sensitive than “war plans,” which makes this lapse more egregious, according to two former senior US defense officials.
But rather than acknowledge the obvious, the administration doubled down on increasingly desperate semantic gymnastics. Their primary defense? That the Atlantic’s headline called them “attack” plans rather than “war” plans — as if this distinction somehow negated the sharing of classified military operations in an unsecured chat group that included a journalist. The semantic games only got more desperate from there:

That’s White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt pretending that because The Atlantic called them “Attack Plans” instead of “War Plans” it was some sort of concession, even though (as noted above) experts point out this is worse and more egregious.
We’ve written a few times now about how the administration has been playing cutesy semantic games in court, in which they act like they think playing obvious word games is some sort of magic loophole away from accountability. This is more of that, but to the press. As with courts, no one but the dumbest MAGA faithful are buying this nonsense. THEY STILL WERE PLANNING AN ATTACK INCLUDING CLASSIFIED INFO VIA SIGNAL. The fact that they accidentally added a journalist was only worth noting in the sense that that’s how we know about it. The existence of the Signal chat is the first problem.
Others in the administration really leaned in on this “no war plans” semantic game:

This is again, utter nonsense. It was texting clear details of a military operation before it occurred. It included details of weapons being used and timing. No one — NO ONE — thinks that this is acceptable or normal. Not even this crew now weakly trying to defend it.
But the administration’s semantic tap dance around “war plans” versus “attack plans” isn’t just missing the point — it’s actively trying to distract from something far more serious: evidence of potential war crimes. The Signal chat reveals senior administration officials deliberately targeting a civilian residential building, with full knowledge of its non-military status.

Let that sink in: they authorized bombing a civilian apartment building because a target’s girlfriend lived there. This isn’t just reckless — it’s a likely violation of international humanitarian law, which explicitly prohibits attacks directed at civilian objects. The fact that these officials casually discussed targeting civilian infrastructure in an unsecured chat group — while including a journalist by mistake — demonstrates a shocking combination of moral bankruptcy and operational incompetence.
This reckless disregard for both operational security and international law isn’t just dangerous — it’s potentially criminal. And while the administration tries to deflect with absurd arguments about the difference between “war” and “attack” plans, the reality is that they’ve provided documentary evidence of planning what appears to be a war crime, sharing classified operational details in an unsecured channel, and then lying about it to Congress.
For an administration that campaigned on bringing back competence and accountability to government, they’ve instead demonstrated they can’t be trusted with either classified information or military power.
Filed Under: attack plans, international humanitarian law, jd vance, jeffrey goldberg, john ratcliffe, mike waltz, pete hegseth, signal chat, tulsi gabbard, war crimes, war plans, yemen


Comments on “Even If Those Weren’t War Plans In Hegseth’s Signal Chat, They Were War Crimes”
well, look at it this way–evidence of war crimes meana there’s at least /one/ US govt norm the Trump administration isn’t trying to destroy
The Swamp in DC
Instead of draining the swamp, The Orange Idiot has filled the swamp with lying idiots.
Where is all the PRESIDENTIAL outrage about this “sharing” of classified information international war crimes, and humanitarian crimes. Oh yeah, it was his idiot buddies, so it’s OK.
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The orange idiot is the biggest idiot of all. This was predictable. Anyone who’s ever worked for a living knows that the boss never hires people smarter and more competent than they are, because they don’t want to be shown up.
Maybe a very smart boss will be secure enough to hire even smarter people, but a moron definitely will not. Trump hires only toadying sycophants who are also incompetent assclowns.
And I knew this would happen before he was elected. I can’t believe everyone didn’t know this would happen. Do they not work for a living? Do they not notice the world around them? Do they have no common sense or intelligence at all?
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Whenever I hear “Drain the swamp” by Trumpy and his MAGA henchmen, I hear “Destroy the Wetlands”.
Everything they do in destroying what civilization the US had is proving me right.
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Thank you for this
This is the first time I’ve seen a Western media outlet point out that the US committed war crimes with this attack. I have not seen one single white person show the slightest empathy for the fifty-three innocent human beings murdered by the US in this terrorist attack. This is why BestNetTech is the only Western media source I still follow. Thank you.
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Seconded. Felt like nobody but me even noticed. Plenty of teeth-gnashing about putting our brave professional murderers at risk, though…
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Look up “The Poverty Draft”. If you think Native Americans are the highest percentage per capita of their ethnicity enlisted in the US armed forces due to Jingoism, I want what you’re smoking.
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Also, a sizable number of US veterans hate US empire with a passion. I know some personally.
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Taiwan is a country.
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Get real: This is the only Western media source you still follow because your bosses in the Chinese propaganda business figured this is where you could do the least amount of damage to their business.
Worse, the text chain indicates Waltz deliberately set the messages to be deleted in 4 weeks, when these conversations are clearly official records that are supposed to be kept for the record. So he’s not only posting about war crimes, he’s posting evidence the administration is covering up and deleting evidence of war crimes.
I want reporters asking about how this episode will impact the willingness of current allies to share sensitive intelligence with the US, given how the US handles such things. I would like the question posed to Karoline Leavitt (whose answer will, I’m sure, include “Joe Biden” within the first ten words), the members of the Signal chat group, and intelligence officials among American allies.
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War Is Hell
The Houthis are firing missiles at passing civilian boats. They are terrorists. And everywhere they go is a “civilian object” because their infrastructure is such that there is no distinction between civilian and military.
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You know what makes us not terrorists? Not doing things terrorists do. Like killing civilians.
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So what? That doesn’t excuse the United States from attacking civilian objects. If the U.S. is doing the same thing as the Houthis, and what the Houthis are doing is a war crime, the U.S. would also be committing a war crime despite its intent to kill people deemed “terrorists”…or your desire to absolve the country of violating international law for any reason so long as Donald Trump is in charge.
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Of it’s even worse than that, because if that argument is considered valid then any country that claims the USG is a threat has just been given a blank check to murder US civilians so long as they claim they were going after a ‘legitimate’ target.
(It’s a good thing that convicted felon Trump isn’t going around giving multiple countries reason to believe that the US is a hostile nation…)
In their attempt to cover for one war-crime they are laying the groundwork for any other country to return the favor to US civilians and the US to have no grounds to protest, much like the USG’s defense of torture left it utterly without grounds to object should other countries engage in the barbaric practice.
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Like what happened on 9/11
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Blah, blah, blah. You constantly think you make sense, but you’re comments are so childish and juvenile, grow the fuck up.
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We do not defeat our enemies by becoming them.
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“I can stare into the abyss all day, and it never stares back at me! I have no self-awareness whatsoever.” — Koby, probably
Sort of like bombing a wedding party to kill terrorists, but without the “we didn’t know”.
'Well if that's how you want to play...'
With all the ‘there was nothing sensitive or secretive about what was shared’ attempts at deflection I wonder if they realize that the message they’re sending for the next time they disasterously bungle OPSEC in an attempt to dodge record retention laws is that reporters shouldn’t redact anything and should just post everything since apparently there’s nothing problematic in messages giving exact attack times and exact methods of attack.
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If they are sloppy enough that the message gets into the hands of someone with no compunctions about putting active duty personnel in harms’ way, then yeah that is what is going to happen. They were just lucky this time.
The Atlantic is walking a dangerous line here
Publishing detailed attack plans that clearly constitute classified material is a crime falling under the Espionage Act.
That the officials in question claimed that this information was not classified is no valid excuse since a primary school student would have recognized this as an obvious and transparent lie.
Indeed, the Atlantic’s motivation in publishing this was to expose the officials’ talk as a lie, so they clearly were believing the information to be classified and not permissible for publication.
I commend them for the risk they are taking here, but even if prompted by the deplorable stupidity and dishonesty of Trump’s officials, they are in a really bad legal position if someone decides to go Espionage Act on them.
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The reason The Atlantic held off on posting the messages was that they were vetting them and talking to lawyers. I’m not nearly familiar enough with the law to know what the loophole is, but I don’t imagine they would have been given permission to publish this if there was any chance they would be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.
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They also held off on posting any of the possibly compromising information until after the Trump administration collectively shit down it’s leg and claimed there wasn’t anything classified in there.
So, I’m no lawyer either, but I’m really suspicious that they would have a solid shot of saying “well, the president said it wasn’t classified. And per their arguments, that makes it so.”
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I would assume their lawyers told them that, so there must be some precedent or law that made it possible to publish the messages without fear of legal repercussions.
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I’m not American but as I understand the Espionage Act only covers the person that has the classified material to begin with and leaks it. When the Pentagon Papers were published, it was Daniel Ellsberg who was prosecuted, not the Washington Post. When Snowden leaked all those NSA documents, he was prosecuted, not Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald or Ewan MacAskill (although reportedly the CIA did try to prosecute Greenwald and Poitras, the Obama administration didn’t want to do so and they pushed back on that.) When Reality Winner and Daniel Hale leaked to The Intercept, nobody at The Intercept was prosecuted.
I want to reiterate that I am not an American let alone an expert in American law, but the late Daniel Ellsberg always argued the Espionage Act was unconstitutional. I don’t know if his argument towards that is any good though.
But most importantly if it is illegal to disclose that your government just bombed an entire apartment building full of people on a casual whim, you should man up and do the stint in jail. I’m currently in journalism school and one of my lecturers was a reporter in Nigeria under a military dictatorship and frequently tells stories of times when harassed and even detained by the military. He frequently tells us that “you need to be willing to die for the job”. (I do understand that it’s not as easy for reporters to do risk their own livelihood and possibly that of their families and colleagues as it for me to insist that they should.)
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Isn’t The Espionage Act supposed to apply to his sources, i.e. the people leaking classified information to the press?
Technically, it’s everyone else who shared classified info with the press that would be violating it.
Re: 'Literally YESTERDAY you said there was nothing classified here...'
Pretty sure as soon as the government issues multiple assertions that there’s nothing classified or even sensitive in a document they’ve just tossed any chance to be taken seriously in court or out if a paper calls their bluff and posts the entire thing.
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The Department of Justice cannot be forced to subscribe to the lies of the Department of Defense. They have their own liars and frauds and incompetents.
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New York Times Co. v. United States does not agree with this assertion.
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The Atlantic reached out to the White House before posting the full logs for any objections. The WH objected because it was a private chat, but stuck to the story that nothing in the chat was classified.
So The Atlantic was completely free-and-clear to post the logs.
Either the info wasn’t classified, in which case it was fine to post; or the the information was classified and it’s the WH’s fault for improperly classifying the info.
Because it isn’t the journalist’s job to originate a classification for this material — Goldberg doesn’t hold a clearance, wasn’t read-in, didn’t even have need to know. The blame lies with the official who added him and the office that did not properly protect the leakage of classified material.
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Ah… but Trump mentally declassified it!
One example of how damaging this is
The messages specify MQ-9 drone launch at 1345, to be on target at 1415. Given the cruising/max speed of the drone (which is well-known and published) this establishes the radius of the circle which contains the launch point(s). The center of that circle is the (now-known and published) target location. These two combined establish the location of the launch point(s), and when they’re further combined with baseline intel (such as “where they most certainly are NOT”) allow an adversary to arrive at good estimates of the location(s) of the attacking US forces. (Hint: do the math, then note how alarmingly small the area is.)
This is just one example pulled out of that message stream. Professional intel analysts will find more – much more. It’s a massive opsec failure, not that the people involved care because they aren’t the ones being targeted, attacked, and killed.
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A “100% OPSEC” failure, would you say?
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That claim clearly highlights Hegseth’s toxic mix of arrogance and ignorance.
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I would call it an “over 9000% OPSEC” failure.
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As Adam Schiff pointed out, despite Waltz’s “no sources or methods” BS, the fact that they knew it was his girlfriend’s building would suggest to the Houthis how they might know that (presumably non-public) information — which means they could tighten up their opsec, making the next time more difficult, and possibly endangering one of our human assets if that’s how we found out.
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The only thing Goldberg redacted in this message thread is the name of a CIA operative on the ground. I don’t know if that operative is their source but, I wouldn’t feel good about being in the area if it were me.
“The purpose of these statements is to emphasize that an attack which affects civilian objects is not unlawful as long as it is directed against a military objective and the incidental damage to civilian objects is not excessive”
“Excessive” is doing a lot of work here of course, but the criminality of targeting a civilian structure where a valid target is known to be is significantly less cut and dry than the article would suggest.
But, like, they didn’t say they targeted a residential structure, only that one collapsed. Maybe it was just an earthquake and the strike was never actually carried out. CHECK AND MATE.
Nobody should vote Republican, ever again. How much more evidence do those numbnuts MAGA voters need?
And every member of the armed forces should resign en masse right now. If you can’t trust the people giving the orders not to be halfwits, then you are freed from whatever oaths you made.
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The oath is to your country, not to your chain of command. Halfwits as commanders are an adversity, and soldiers are not permitted to defect in the face of adversity.
But there are procedures for quitting the army legally, and you better do that while you can still avail yourself of them.
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They’re not really “evidence” people.
So many questions
OK, there are admittedly bigger questions (how did the classified info get into this non-classified system? who did Waltz mean to add instead of Goldberg? why didn’t anyone ask who JG was? what about the FRA vs. disappearing messages? how much more have they been using Signal improperly? what were they thinking? why were they using Signal instead of a classified system?) but one I haven’t seen enough: What the hell was the Secretary of the Treasury doing on this chat?
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The funny thing is how Waltz can’t put forth a meaningful defense here. He might claim that he meant to add someone else named “Goldberg” to the chat, but then he still has to explain why he had Jeffrey Goldberg’s number. And he can’t claim that it was a “wrong number” he added because that sounds even more ridiculous. The best argument he has is that yes, he had Goldberg’s number on that phone for whatever reason, but the decision to add Goldberg to the group chat was a legitimate mistake—an errant press of a button or whatever—and that’s really the only argument he has that won’t sound like bullshit.
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Don’t worry, they’ve put Elon on the job. He and his crack team of cyber geeks will soon have a completely plausible reason why it was definitely a Soros/Clinton-funded intrusion by lefty hackers!
War Crimes
Destroying evidence of war crimes is also a war crime, so they’re doubling down once again.
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Someone should mention this to some suitably non-Trump-worshiping court, and drag Trump and co before it. But, no, the Supremes have made that impossible – according to a statement made by them before trump got himself re-elected, anything he does as President is legal, including betraying the country.
This is deplorable, anyone other government official who was in the chat even if just ‘listening’ passively, should have called out and castigated the first posting of pending activities (i.e. strikes that had not occurred yet) and instructed not to post anything further that related to OPSEC and to keep it general and/or post-operation reports (even that is debateable, but at least it wouldn’t put ongoing operations at risk).
If you read Ratcliffe’s statement, it seems to be extremely narrow:
That may very wel be true (I haven’t read the entire session in detail), Ratcliffe may not have been a sharer of classifield material, but he definitely was a reciever of it on a non-secure platform and said/did nothing about it.
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He’s basically admitting to commiting only two of three crimes in that chat. Which is an interesting approach.
Would they?
Classified information doesn’t work on the idea that something is automatically classified just because any idiot can deduce that it should be. It has to be properly marked, with a classification level, by a “classification authority”.
I’m not bringing this up as some minor technicality, either. It’s in the administration’s best interest that this data be retroactively considered unclassified, because then they wouldn’t have illegally shared classified data with an unapproved person, or distributed such over unapproved channels. So, I feel like I have to ask: do we have evidence that this was classified, i.e., that some person with the legal authority to assign it a classification level actually did so?
It was pretty horrific when Biden started bombing Yemen but usually when that happened the death toll was 3 or 4 per round at most (may be lower or higher but this is just to my recollection.)
I remember when I saw the media reporting numbers in the 50s I was thinking that the only way they aren’t targeting civilians is if they were targeting residences of high ranking Ansar Allah officials but the actual reasoning is so much worse, and it’s pretty sickening how casually these guys are agreeing to it and not seeing anything wrong with this.
Correction: The shits at the top authorized bombing a building because a target was allegedly visiting someone there. That not only changes the picture, it makes it significantly worse. What if they’d gotten the wrong individual?