The Trump Vengeance Tour Continues As He Sues Pollster For Being Wrong
from the the-anti-free-speech-era dept
Donald Trump has made it quite clear that he views his reelection as not just a vindication of his views, but as a blessing for his plan to bring vengeance on those who disagree with him. His cabinet picks are following in his footsteps on that, with various threats of lawsuits flying this way and that. And now he’s filed his most ridiculous sore winner lawsuit yet: suing one newspaper and pollster who suggested Kamala Harris had a lead in Iowa.
Trump, himself, never one to shy away from filing vexatious SLAPP suits, seems emboldened by Bob Iger’s decision to settle the case Trump had filed earlier this year against ABC and George Stephanopoulos. That case was very dumb, but because Stephanopoulos made the case more complicated than it needed to be, a judge refused to dismiss it earlier this year. At that point, it starts to get expensive, and Iger seemed to do the math that, with all the attacks the GOP has made on Disney, it was better to comply and kiss the ring — an unfortunately common occurrence for media moguls these days.
That said, this latest lawsuit is monumentally stupid. Ann Selzer, who had previously been called “the best pollster in politics,” clearly ran a single very bad poll in Iowa right before the election for the Des Moines Register. It caught a lot of attention as it showed Kamala Harris up by a few points on Donald Trump in a state that no one thought Harris would win. This really upset a lot of people at the time, but in the end, it was just a bad poll. It happens.
But, according to this new lawsuit, this one bad poll was… apparently election interference? That’s according to the complaint filed on Monday in an Iowa state court. While Trump had mentioned his intention to sue, Puck News broke the story of the actual lawsuit, but they get no link from me because they quoted from the complaint without including a link to it (my link above in this paragraph is directly to the complaint).
The complaint is laughable because Trump clearly can’t show any damages. He won the election, he won Iowa, so what harm occurred here? The lawsuit claims the poll was part of a Democratic plot to suppress Republican voting, but provides no evidence for this conspiracy theory. If anything, an inaccurate poll showing Democrats ahead would likely motivate more Republicans to turn out and vote.
The idea that you could sue pollsters for releasing poll results that differ from the final election outcome is absurd and dangerous. Polls are snapshots of voter sentiment at a given time, not ironclad predictions. Even the best pollsters are sometimes off the mark. It’s the nature of polling. They could have a bad sample or a bad polling system. Or their weighting system could be off. It happens. It shouldn’t be against the law to make a bad prediction.
Pollsters shouldn’t have to fear lawsuits for doing their jobs. If this is allowed to stand, it could have a severe chilling effect on political polling. What pollster would want to risk being sued by an angry candidate every time they release results?
Indeed, even if the judge dismisses this lawsuit as baseless, if they don’t also sanction the lawyers for filing such a garbage case, it will still create a chilling effect among pollsters, who will likely worry that they might have to go through such a costly and stressful legal process anytime they publish unfavorable numbers.
Unfortunately, with no anti-SLAPP law in Iowa, and Congress being unwilling to vote on a federal anti-SLAPP law, there’s not much to deter frivolous lawsuits like this that aim to punish and silence protected speech, unless this particular judge decides to make an example of Trump and his lawyers here. But I’m not holding my breath.
The complaint reads more like the whining of an insecure man-child who can’t handle criticism than a legitimate legal argument. I mean, look at this unhinged rant:
This poll—purporting to show that President Trump’s commanding lead all but vanished upon Harris’s entry into the race—was indicative of Defendants’ intent, even as early as September, to paint an incorrect and cynical picture of the downward trajectory for President Trump in the face of a supposedly turbocharged Harris Campaign. In truth, Harris’s hollow message of “joy” was missing badly with voters across all demographics and regions, who craved actual policy changes that only President Trump can and will deliver
Any court that cares about the First Amendment should dismiss this case and sanction Trump’s lawyers for filing it. Sadly, these days, that’s far from guaranteed, as many judges seem willing to ignore basic First Amendment principles, often through MAGA-tinted glasses.
But, this whole thing is just painfully stupid:
For too long, left-wing pollsters have attempted to influence electoral outcomes through manipulated polls that have unacceptable error rates and are not grounded in widely accepted polling methodologies. While Selzer is not the only pollster to engage in this corrupt practice, she had a huge platform and following and, thus, a significant and impactful opportunity to deceive voters. As Selzer knows, this type of manipulation creates a narrative of inevitability for Democrat candidates, increases enthusiasm among Democrats, compels Republicans to divert campaign time and money to areas in which they are ahead, and deceives the public into believing that Democrat candidates are performing better than they really are.
Does this mean the Harris campaign should be able to sue any of the pollsters who were wrong in the other direction? Hell, she would have a (still laughable and vexatious, but…) marginally more credible complaint, seeing as she actually lost the election (though she was willing to admit that, something Trump has never done).
The implications of allowing this suit to proceed are chilling. If a candidate can sue any pollster whose results they dislike, it would make accurate, independent polling nearly impossible. Campaigns could bully pollsters into only releasing favorable numbers or keeping unflattering results quiet. The public would be deprived of an important source of impartial information about races.
In a sane world, this lawsuit would be laughed out of court and widely condemned as an attack on free speech and democracy. Instead, it will likely be celebrated by the MAGA crowd as Trump “fighting back” against perceived enemies. That attitude, more than the complaint itself, shows how much trouble our political system is in.
A country that actually supported free speech wouldn’t allow such censorial SLAPP lawsuits to occur. And it should be widely seen as embarrassing that the President-elect would file such a lawsuit. Instead, it will be widely cheered by a bunch of people who pretend they support free speech while actually applauding this assault on free speech.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, ann selzer, anti-slapp, donald trump, election interference, elections, free speech, iowa, kamala harris, polls, slapp
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Comments on “The Trump Vengeance Tour Continues As He Sues Pollster For Being Wrong”
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Wait ’til he and his henchmen have total control over the federal government! Hope good people are putting into place measures to be able to flee the country!!
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Hope good people are putting into place measures to be able to flee the country!!
There’s no need to flee. The GOP hasn’t accomplished anything of significance in the last 20 years, apart from fostering us into the recession of 2008 and killing part of their voter base through their Covid bullshit.
There’s nothing that makes me think this time will be any different. Big ‘concepts of plans’ that never materialize.
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They’re going to deport tens of thousands of us within the first month!
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Lay off the doomppsting!
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Lay off the head-in-sanding.
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ok doom poster
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“Calm down, get a hold of yourself.”
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That’s not even fucking possible. Settle down, Beavis.
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Agreed!
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I dug a bunker. I’ll just secede.
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This government has bunker busters and an incoming President Trump won’t hesitate to use them. Better to change your voter registration to “R”…or escape north to Canada!!
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I don’t think even Trump would authorize the use of a “bunker buster” on American soil to attack American citizens who disagree with him. He’s an idiot, but he’s not that stupid.
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Don’t you remember when he ordered heavily-armed agents of the federal government to kidnap and torture U.S. citizens in Portland? And his henchmen complied!! Why wouldn’t he drop a bomb on his opponents?
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Because detaining people and bombing them are very far apart on the government violence spectrum.
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Hoka hey.
Per normal: Trump is a better fictional gag character than real-world… anything.
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Nope. Don’t surrender. Don’t retreat. Those who can fight should fight. Not everyone can leave and when good people flee instead of fight, it means the people who can’t flee will get trampled. It won’t be pleasant, but it’ll be worse if we don’t fight it.
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I think you’re replying to the wrong person. But I agree with the sentiment.
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yeah, page reloaded and a new comment was added so I hit reply on the wrong one…
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Better to save yourself and your family that be destroyed by a fascist.
There are other Western countries where Democracy will still be functioning.
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Lay off the doomposting.
And don’t you dare reply: Lay off the head-in-sanding.
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He’s right though. We’re pretty much at the bottom of developed nations.
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If the US is an example of a developed nation, then Nigeria (for example) is completely fucked!
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Nigeria has an HDI of 0.548. “Completely fucked” is an understatement.
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*whoooooooosh!*
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It’s legit like advising someone to stay in an abusive marriage.
Considering the enthusiasm I had after the last seltzer poll, followed by the completly shattering election result, this just smells like insult to injury.
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Correction, enthusiasm a LOT of people had.
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Tbf, I knew kamala was gonna lose, considering that she only had 5-6 months ready for election day.
Then again, if Biden stayed, it probably would’ve been worse, so…🤷
Re: Re: Tbf i knew Kamala was going to lose
Because she’s a black woman.
You were NEVER going to elect a black woman.
What the fuck were you thinking?
What the fuck?
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FYI, 48.3% of the American electorate are quite rightly calling you a liar.
Re: Re: Re:2 On the one hand, openly bigoted fascist. On the other hand...
That still leaves just under 52% that agree with their statement, and given who and what she was running against that should have landed her a win by a landslide in the easiest election in US history… yeah I’m thinking ‘black’ and/or ‘woman’ but especially both had way more of an impact on the election than people might want to admit.
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49.8%, actually. Trump won the popular vote, but he still didn’t win a majority.
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Nobody’s denying that, but the troll said “you”, meaning every voter. Can you grok that?
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Make up your mind. Is the ‘you’ in their comment talking about individuals, in which case you might have a point that they mean every voter, or as a country, in which case you don’t?
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And yet again, a troll moves the goalposts.
If I touch Trump, would he instantaneously combust considering how thin-skinned he is?
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That’s unsanitary. Please at least wear gloves.
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Yes. You can’t see it, but everyone near him has to wear skin-colored, translucent gloves as to not risk him crumpling into dust.
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why would you want to even consider touching a man who shits in his diaper in court?
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Maybe try splashing some holy water instead.
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No, no, no. Holy water, garlic, and a Crucifix at the bare minimum.
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Career Ending Mistake
It’s common knowledge that a poll showing a winner will depress the voter turnout of the losing side.
In any case, I just hope that this will force Setzer to release the data so that the public can examine how she got it so wrong. As of now, Setzer still claims to be befuddled as to how she botched this poll.
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I hope someone rich sues you into homelessness you absolute imbecile.
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Trump won Iowa with 56%, Harris got 42.7%.
It sounds like you’re full of shit as usual, Koward.
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And the Trump margin of victory would have been even greater had the fake poll not been released. Additionally, had more voter suppression occurred, Trump would not have won the popular vote. Which is apparently now the gold standard for Presidential legitimacy nowadays.
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You literally cannot know that with the certainty of God.
News flash, dipshit: Republicans don’t try to suppress the votes of their own people.
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By your logic, all speech is election interference and voter suppression. Hell, Trump told people he didn’t want or need their votes. Should he sue himself for suppressing the vote?
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You’re blowing that way out of proportion. By that argument every one of the thousands of polls conducted during the election season were pulling the eventual results back and forth all over the place. You might as well ban all polling if their effect is really that bad.
As it should be. Explain why that’s wrong.
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That’s how literally nothing works. He won. Whether his margin would have been hightler couldn’t possibly be less relevant.
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You really are trying to take the prize as the dumbest bootlicker.
Good luck it’s a very crowded field.
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Don’t you have more useful things to do with your time than roleplay as Ms. Habba in a BestNetTech comments section?
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Already happened, try to keep up.
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It’s common knowlege that “It’s common knowlege” means “bullshit I just made up.”
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“Common knowledge” is neither universal nor reliable, much like common sense. Saying, “It’s common knowledge that [X],” is no better evidence for X than saying, “I believe [X].”
How petty and insecure do you have to be to sue over a poll?
His skin is so thin it’s got to be applied (badly) via vapor disposition.
Counter-sue for vexatious litigation: even if the allegations were true, no defamation, no election interference, everything covered by 1A rights.
There may not be an anti-SLAPP statute, but a near equivalent can be made. In whatever way possible, it should be more painful to file such vexatious suits than it currently is.
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The problem with Vexing litigation suits is they are only valid after the fact.
So few have succeeded because so few try. You need someone who’s abusing the system to the point you can tell a judge and get him to do something while having minimal case law on your side.
Many states do not even have laws for this.
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He’s not suing for defamation, which would of course be ridiculous. He’s suing for a violation of the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act. I don’t think he has a case, but it’s somewhat less ridiculous.
Are you claiming that a pollster has a First Amendment right to intentionally lie about their polls?
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No, it’s actually more ridiculous.
Two things.
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1: “even if the allegations were true… everything covered by 1A rights” is what I was responding to. I do not believe them to be true.
2: I said “I don’t think he has a case”. But I think whoever buys the polls from her would have a case – IF this were true.
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HOW.
No, seriously: Explain to me how lying about a poll result could ever rise to the level of actionable (and possibly criminal) fraud.
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If I pay for honest polling results, and the pollster just makes stuff up rather than conducting a survey and reporting the results, then I would have been defrauded. I doubt this happened in this case, but that is a set of facts where the lying pollster would have defrauded someone.
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Yes, exactly. It would be harder to extend this to Trump, who maybe paid a buck for a newspaper which had the poll in it, or something. He’s claiming he was “forced” to spend additional campaign resources in the state, which seems dubious.
If this kind of lawsuit was viable Democrats could sue a huge number of Right wing activists groups out of existence.
Hillsdale Collegr, Turning Point, Alliance Defending Freedom
Their social media marketing are incessant push polls they use to harvest E.Mail addresses.
The results are of course -never- published, because the survey is just a ruse to collect people’s contact information…
Which of course is far closer to being a violation of consumer protection laws than publishing a painfully wrong poll.
Donald should pay lottery, then sue the lottery until all its numbers are correct.
Baby
Only a baby throws a temper tantrum after he got what he wanted… and not even then sometimes.
It’s a constant thing among the maga republicans. They present themselves as these tough independent men like paul bunyan or chuck norris but at the same time always act like the weak whiny children they always label the left wing twitter types as.
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They also want to be both the authority/culture and the rebel/counter-culture. Their brand of cognitive dissonance would be amusing if it weren’t so goddamned dangerous to everyone else.
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Every accusation a confession, every self-given label a rejection of.
A truly honest person doesn’t feel the need to constantly remind people how honest they are.
A truly brave person doesn’t constantly tell you how brave they are ‘just in case you forgot’.
And a truly strong person doesn’t need to remind people how tough and manly they are as like the previous two it will be evident by their actions.
'I paid the leopards to leave, my face is off the table now, right?'
At that point, it starts to get expensive, and Iger seemed to do the math that, with all the attacks the GOP has made on Disney, it was better to comply and kiss the ring — an unfortunately common occurrence for media moguls these days.
Ah yes, because as the ancient wisdom says, ‘The best way to get the dane to go away and stop bothering you is to pay the dane-geld.’
Re: The best Grift ever !!
This is not a vexatious SLAPP suit. It does not matter if the suits are baseless and would be thrown out out by the courts; they won’t get that far. It’s not even really directly about a thin-skinned narcissist trying to silence critics in the media.
This is Trump doing what he does best; it is pure GRIFT. In fact, this may be his BEST GRIFT EVER. It kissing the ring at arms length, sanctioned by the courts, out in the open and at least for now, all above board and legal.
Trump gets annoyed by something George “Slopadopolus” said. Files lawsuit. Stephanopoulos works for ABC. ABC is owned by Disney, run by Bob Iger. GOP and Trump dislike them all. Iger wants to “make good” in Trump’s eyes. Iger directs the lawyers to capitulate and signs a $15M cheque to Trump. Case goes away but sets “precedent”.
Trump gets annoyed by something that appeared in the Des Moines Register. Files lawsuit. Des Moines Register is owned by Gannett Corp. Gannett is owned by New Media Investment Group. NMIG is owned by Fortress Investment Group. Fortress is owned by Japanese conglomerate Softbank.
Masayoshi Son is the founder, CEO and largest shareholder of SoftBank. On the same day Trump filed the suit, he also announced a $100 Billion investment by Masayoshi Son (maybe hoping it would dominate the headlines over the lawsuit). Trump says “I want a cut of that”. Masayoshi says “I can’t just give you money, that’s not legal”. Trump says not to worry, he has a plan. Lawsuit filed. Expect this vexatious, flimsy lawsuit to quickly be settled in Trump’s favor, out of court, for a large sum.
It is kissing the ring by proxy, directly into Trump’s pocket; no middlemen, no shell games, no GOP meddling. He can even claim he had to sue to protect his reputation and now is “forced to accept the money” to protect the integrity of the legal system.
The harm to the media’s reputation, the gutting of their resources and fewer eyes on his travails and antics is just a collateral bonus. Expect more lawsuits against media corporations owned or led by billionaires to follow.
What strikes me as odd is that Trump is suing the pollster because Trump did better than expected. Wouldn’t a poll like that make him look even more successful? He could have easily turned this into an “I WON THE ELECTION BY A LOT!!!” narrative, but he didn’t.
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He wants the press to kiss his ass. That’s literally all this is about. If this poll had shown he was going to win, he wouldn’t be complaining. But it didn’t, and he’s been emboldened by his settlement with ABC (for a case it probably could’ve won!) to make the rest of the free press pucker up.
More proof that Chump is stupid: nothing gets the MAGA mooks out to the [real, election] polls like someone saying they’re falling behind. This poll result no doubt benefited him more than the reverse would have. Of course his response is: “You dare!” (just like in bad Kung Fu movies).
There is a very good chance that Emperor Nero’s party wants to make Non-Nincompoops fear posting anything – such as a poll – that shows anything negative about the Nincompoop Party, its Holy Messiah or any of his disciples. That way, the next election will have only good news polls for Nincompoops because nobody will dare post any negative polls ever again for fear of being sued into poverty in a Kangaroo Nincomcourt.
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This is why liberal-minded people who support Democracy should flee America for better countries like Canada.
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NO… Fight the bastards.
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“That case is very dumb”….that Trump was clearly going to win.
How DARE all those lawyers and judges disagree with MM (not a lawyer) on how these lawsuits should play out!
I’ll agree that the Seltzer case is dumb but many of the others are not — and now Stephanapolous has contributed to the Trump library about 800x what he contributed to the Clinton library. And that happened cuz he is rank partisan (for really real!) who should in no way be actijg a journalist.
Oh, Gina Carano lawsuit is still going on, btw. Y’know, the one you claimed (without any basis) was a “SLAPP” lawsuit? She’s probably going to win it.
You’re wrong about nearly everything and it just delights me to no end.
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Since you’re wrong about LITERALLY everything, I’m not sure where you’re finding ground to beat off over a win.
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“You’re wrong about nearly everything…”
Shit son you need to be working for AMC with that kind of projection.
The Trump/Musk breakup should be highly entertaining. It amazes me that those two assholes have managed to get along for this long. I may even make popcorn.
“Campaigns could bully pollsters into only releasing favorable numbers or keeping unflattering results quiet. The public would be deprived of an important source of impartial information about races.”
Realistically, it might cause pollsters to refuse to publish ANY polling to the general public, which in a sense would also result in political candidates flying blind with an incomplete picture of their race at any given moment.
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So what I’m hearing is that it’s not all downsides then.
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The candidates usually commission their own polls, so they wouldn’t be blind. (At least for major races like the Presidency.)
Disney started its bloody murder-by-slow-dismemberment of ABC News in 1996, transforming what was arguably Amerika’s finest commercial-broadcast news operation into a generally useless piece of corporate shit. I know, I was there, I saw it happen in real time. Now Iger has taken it all the way, with his fawning, ass-licking, cowering fealty to Dear Respected And Beloved Leader. Just calling it what it is. Sieg Heil MAGA!! Arbeit Macht Frei fur die Maus!!