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GOP FTC Commissioners Abuse “Free Speech” Rhetoric To Push For Government Control Over Online Speech

from the censorship-through-lies dept

In a disturbing (if unsurprising) trend, Republican FCC and FTC commissioners are deliberately misusing “free speech” rhetoric in an Orwellian attempt to justify government intervention to control and suppress online speech.

Last week, FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr pushed censorial policies in the name of “free speech.” This week, GOP FTC Commissioners Melissa Holyoak and Andrew Ferguson followed the same playbook. Of course, the context here is that Holyoak and Ferguson are fighting to get into Trump’s good graces to be named FTC chair, and he’s apparently worried that the two of them will be “soft” on his “big tech” enemies.

That resulted in them hijacking an unrelated enforcement action against e-commerce site GOAT to attack social media content moderation and advertiser boycotts.

GOAT is kind of like an eBay for mostly sneakers and some other sports apparel. But the FTC went after it for being misleading about both its shipping times and its claims of providing buyer protection services.

This seems like a fairly straightforward FTC case involving violations for unfair or deceptive practices. But for whatever reason (okay, okay, we know why) the Republican Commissioners decided to use this otherwise unremarkable case to go nuts about “online censorship” and (I shit you not) the unwillingness of some companies to advertise on ExTwitter.

While GOAT’s practices were problematic, they had nothing to do with the content moderation policies of social media platforms that the commissioners attacked in their statements. Indeed, they had nothing to do with third-party speech at all.

Commissioner Melissa Holyoak agreed with the FTC’s actions against GOAT, but then pivoted in her concurring statement to argue that the FTC should use the very same powers to go after social media companies for alleged unfair treatment of users in how they moderate:

This case is a good example of the Commission’s robust enforcement to protect consumers, and how we should consider and appropriately use every tool that Congress has given to us. This includes using our existing consumer protection authorities—consistent with the Commission’s constitutional and statutory authority—in new or emerging areas. For example, we must better understand how platforms enforce their terms of service to deny access or services to users or moderate speech about controversial topics. And the settlement with GOAT underscores the existing legal authority the Commission has to prosecute how platforms enforce their terms of service. Platforms employ their own internal procedures when they decide to terminate or deny access to users—not unlike the failed internal procedures of GOAT. A platform’s internal procedures can also be a black box, failing to provide users with adequate information about alleged violations of the terms of service, the platform’s determination, and the user’s purported “options” to challenge or appeal those decisions. Such actions have serious consequences for consumers, and in some cases, may be contrary to consumers’ reasonable expectations and constitute an unfair practice. It is critical to do more to understand the role that platforms play in controlling access to the digital commons. And a comprehensive approach to behavioral remedies—using our consumer protection and antitrust authorities—can reduce big tech’s ability to unlawfully remove Americans off their platforms.

Almost everything about this is nonsense. First, every single terms of service on these kinds of platforms includes some variation of the line saying “and we can kick you off our platform for any reason whatsoever.” Because they can. With very few restrictions, private businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, and that’s especially true in the speech context, where the First Amendment’s rights of association include the right not to associate with anyone’s speech.

That is simply categorically different than an e-commerce company making direct promises to users about when it will ship things and what kind of buyer protection is provided.

Holyoak claims that this “can reduce big tech’s ability to unlawfully remove Americans off their platforms,” but leaves out the fact that it’s not unlawful at all. Hell, the Supreme Court itself just explained this in the Moody ruling, making it clear that Florida and Texas can’t pass laws that tell social media companies how to moderate. Is Commissioner Holyoak unaware of what the Supreme Court just said mere months ago?

At bottom, Texas’s law requires the platforms to carry and promote user speech that they would rather discard or downplay. The platforms object that the law thus forces them to alter the content of their expression—a particular edited compilation of third-party speech. See Brief for NetChoice in No. 22–555, pp. 18–34. That controversy sounds a familiar note. We have repeatedly faced the question whether ordering a party to provide a forum for someone else’s views implicates the First Amendment. And we have repeatedly held that it does so if, though only if, the regulated party is engaged in its own expressive activity, which the mandated access would alter or disrupt. So too we have held, when applying that principle, that expressive activity includes presenting a curated compilation of speech originally created by others.

Or, even more directly:

But in case after case, the Court has barred the government from forcing a private speaker to present views it wished to spurn in order to rejigger the expressive realm. The regulations in Tornillo, PG&E, and Hurley all were thought to promote greater diversity of expression. See supra, at 14–16. They also were thought to counteract advantages some private parties possessed in controlling “enviable vehicle[s]” for speech. Hurley, 515 U. S., at 577. Indeed, the Tornillo Court devoted six pages of its opinion to recounting a critique of the then-current media environment—in particular, the disproportionate “influen[ce]” of a few speakers—similar to one heard today (except about different entities). 418 U. S., at 249; see id., at 248–254; supra, at 14–15. It made no difference. However imperfect the private marketplace of ideas, here was a worse proposal—the government itself deciding when speech was imbalanced, and then coercing speakers to provide more of some views or less of others.

So the entire premise from the Commissioner is wrong.

But Commissioner Andrew Ferguson decided to take up the concept that Holyoak suggested and take it way further. Way, way, way further. His concurring statement gets pretty stupid pretty quickly.

We should address not just censorious conduct specifically, but also investigate the structural issues that may have given these platforms their power over Americans’ lives and speech in the first place. In particular, we must vigorously enforce the antitrust laws against any platforms found to be unlawfully limiting Americans’ ability to exchange ideas freely and openly. We must prosecute any unlawful collusion between online platforms, and confront advertiser boycotts which threaten competition among those platforms.

First off, the pet peeve I mention all too often. The word you mean is censorial, not censorious. You’re using the wrong fucking word.

But more importantly, what the actual fuck? Commissioner Ferguson is flat-out claiming that the FTC’s authority includes going after “advertiser boycotts” (something that has been held to be First Amendment protected expression). The only instances where that’s not the case are ones where boycotts are done for anti-competitive purposes.

Commissioner Ferguson, companies deciding that they don’t want to be associated with crypto scammers and literal neo-Nazis is not that.

Similarly, the line “unlawfully limiting Americans’ ability to exchange ideas freely and openly” is again utter fucking nonsense. Can we send these jackasses to First Amendment 101? Private platforms have a First Amendment right to moderate how they see fit, as the Supreme Court said just a few months ago.

But Ferguson isn’t done yet with the crazy.

Addressing potential structural problems is necessary even if the Commission successfully enforces the platforms’ terms of service. Suppose that, in response to Commission action, the platforms honestly disclose their content policies and comply with them. Consumers could then choose to use platforms that provided free-speech-respecting products rather than those that do not. This would be an improvement over the status quo. But the choice would be real only if there are suitable free-speech-respecting substitutes to the censorious platforms. X right now is such a platform. But that is a recent phenomenon; X was once as censorious as the rest. Its current turn toward free expression is due only to its new owner’s unusually firm commitment to free and open debate. Other online platforms remain far more censorious. Moreover, the major social media platforms may not necessarily be suitable substitutes for each other based on their characteristics and uses. They appear to occupy several unique niches, and a creator banned from one platform cannot count on earning a living by posting the same content on another platform.

Again, you dope, censorious does not mean what you think it means. I am being censorious here, in that I am being critical. It has nothing to do with the suppression of speech.

Second, what the actual fuck? No, X is not “free speech respecting.” At all. It has banned journalists for merely mentioning a name Elon disliked. It went way further than old Twitter did in banning a reporter and any mention of the JD Vance dossier that was leaked. It has declared that the term “cisgender” is an offensive slur that violates its rules. Elon recently admitted that he openly is downgrading links. There are many reports that if you mention competitor apps, those posts are hidden from the algorithm, something he appears to have done repeatedly whenever another site gets press attention. After getting into a fight with “Twitter Files” reporter Matt Taibbi, at one point Musk made it impossible to find Taibbi’s tweets through search. At one point he completely hid an anti-GOP ad that was getting attention. There are tons of reports of users being “shadowbanned,” and that’s using the misleading, but colloquial definition of deprioritizing the algorithmic reach of content, which Musk claimed was so pernicious it was why he had to buy Twitter — only to almost immediately embrace it as his preferred policy, including making sure to shadowban accounts he didn’t like.

I could go on. The idea that ExTwitter is somehow more supportive of free speech than its predecessor company is only true in the sense that Musk is more willing to allow hate speech on the platform. In so many other ways it is not just more willing to suppress speech, it’s much more arbitrary in how it’s done.

Claiming otherwise, as Commissioner Ferguson does here, suggests he’s ignorant, a fool, or a liar. Not sure which would be worst. Anyone who understands free speech knows full well that Elon Musk is not a supporter of free speech.

Also, even if he were correct, nothing here makes sense. Ferguson is effectively claiming that there need to be multiple social media platforms that all have the same policies Elon prefers on speech to be “suitable substitutes.” But that’s insane. Do there need to be multiple newspapers with identical editorial policies for there to be competition? Of course not. The differentiation in editorial policies is part of the competition itself.

Indeed, that’s exactly what former Rep. Chris Cox and current Senator Ron Wyden talked about in explaining why Section 230 was written, to encourage different online communities to offer up differentiated rules to allow for a variety of communities, so people could find which ones they wanted to participate in. As they noted, requiring multiple sites to all have the same rules is “the opposite of true diversity.”

Section 230 itself states the congressional purpose of ensuring that the internet remains “a global forum for a true diversity of political discourse.” In our view as the law’s authors, this requires that government allow a thousand flowers to bloom—not that a single website has to represent every conceivable point of view. The reason that Section 230 does not require political neutrality, and was never intended to do so, is that it would enforce homogeneity: every website would have the same “neutral” point of view. This is the opposite of true diversity.

The idea that the FTC has the authority and/or power to force every social media company to moderate with the same rules as ExTwitter is so batshit crazy that it makes you question how someone who thinks that should ever have a job at the FTC let alone be a Commissioner.

From there, Commissioner Ferguson presents a litany of conspiracy theories, half-truths and flat-out lies. He claims that because platforms implemented their own rules to try to decrease harms from misinformation, it proves that even if platforms all have similar rules that might still violate the law (he’s wrong). But even more ridiculous is that he presents this as proof:

And this phenomenon was never more obvious than in 2020, when major Big Tech platforms simultaneously banned reporting on, and discussion of, the Hunter Biden laptop story.

That entire statement is false. Every single bit of it. There is a footnote, which cites only Commissioner Ferguson’s own statement in an earlier FTC effort, which also doesn’t say what he says here.

We’ve covered the reality of the Hunter Biden laptop story before. It is not at all true that “BigTech platforms simultaneously banned reporting on, and discussion of” the laptop. Literally none of them did. Twitter definitely went the farthest, and it didn’t do any of what Ferguson says here. It banned only the sharing of the link, but allowed all other discussion (of which there was plenty). It also allowed other reporting on the story. And, facing a ton of (correct!) criticism over the block of that one NY Post link, Twitter reversed course the very next day.

Facebook never banned any reporting or discussion of the story at all. It also didn’t ban any links to the story at all. For a short while, it put a flag on the story such that the link would not trend on the site until they had sufficient information to suggest that the story was legit.

I am unaware of any other site doing anything at all with the link. Google has flatly denied ever taking any action with regards to the link.

So why is Ferguson making up a thing that didn’t happen? Why is he claiming that they all “simultaneously” did things that none of them did? Why is this man entrusted with an FTC commissionership?

And the craziest thing here, as I noted just above, is that ELON MUSK DID THE EXACT SAME THING, BUT EVEN MORE DRACONIAN when he banned all links to the story about the JD Vance dossier. But, of course, because it was in the other direction, everyone just ignores it.

Think about what kind of world we’re living in here.

Commissioner Ferguson pretends that what Twitter didn’t do (but which Elon did do) is somehow evidence of harms of other platforms, and argues that they should all be forced, by the power of the FTC, to follow Musk’s policies on other sites, even though Musk’s policies way more closely resemble the thing he’s complaining about… which no other site (other than Elon’s X) actually did.

This is through the looking glass fantasy world bullshit.

He then cites the Murthy v. Missouri case, hilariously admitting that the Supreme Court found no evidence of coercion to suppress speech, but then saying that discovery proved that it did happen. Literally the thing that the Supreme Court said didn’t happen, Ferguson says did happen. The fact that the Supreme Court explicitly found no evidence of government coercion to suppress speech doesn’t just undermine Ferguson’s argument, it demolishes it.

But in the modern MAGA GOP, if you don’t like the facts, you just make up new ones.

He then returns to the ridiculous idea that advertisers choosing in a free market not to advertise on a platform that fails to keep their brands safe and is increasingly just full of bots and spam… is somehow illegal:

Shortly after Twitter (now X) was purchased by a free-speech champion, major advertisers raced for the door and refused to advertise on X. Concerted refusals to deal—also known as group boycotts—are illegal under the Sherman Act. According to X, this mass advertiser exodus was concerted, and was facilitated by the World Federation of Advertisers’ Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM) initiative. GARM described itself as a coalition of “marketers, media agencies, media platforms, industry associations, and advertising technology solutions providers to safeguard the potential of digital media by reducing the availability and monetization of harmful content online.”

Ferguson can’t even stop there. He picks up on the other ridiculous conspiracy theory we’ve debunked multiple times, that NewsGuard (again, a site created by the very conservative Republican former publishers of the Wall Street Journal) is somehow engaged in “censorship” by… giving its opinion on how trustworthy news sites are.

NewsGuard, for example, “is a domestic for-profit business that rates the credibility of news and information outlets and tells readers and advertisers which outlets they can trust.”16 Like GARM, NewsGuard claims to promote “brand safety” for advertisers. “NewsGuard leverages ‘human intelligence’ (journalists on staff) to dictate an outlet’s trustworthiness. Those deemed ‘untrustworthy’ are then compiled into ‘exclusion lists,’ with ‘trustworthy’ sites on inclusion lists,’ which are licensed to advertisers to instruct their ad agencies and ad-tech partners to keep their programmatic ads off/on these sites.” If a website gets a poor rating on NewsGuard’s “nutrition label,” it can choke off the advertising dollars that are the lifeblood for many websites— including platforms on which millions of Americans every day speak their minds. NewsGuard “goes to great lengths to create the appearance of nonpartisanship and objectivity,” but it seems to give a free pass to deceptive and biased news coverage by major left-leaning outlets. NewsGuard is, of course, free to rate websites by whatever metric it wants. But the antitrust laws do not permit third parties to facilitate group boycotts among competitors.

Just last week, when the FCC’s Brendan Carr went after NewsGuard, I went into detail on how ridiculous it was, so I need not do so again here. But just think of what he’s saying here: that “more speech” in the marketplace of ideas could be considered an illegal boycott if multiple companies rely on that opinion to choose to no longer do business with a company.

It is difficult to express how detached from reality this is.

This is the exact opposite of supporting “free speech.” This is literally saying that if a private entity shares its opinion, and multiple third parties agree with that opinion and choose not to support a business the GOP likes because of that opinion, the speech can be deemed an illegal boycott.

The only purpose of making such an argument is to create chilling effects for criticism of any entities Ferguson and the Trumpist GOP supports.

This is the opposite of free speech and free markets. This is authoritarian censorial (not censorious) bullshit.

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Anonymous Coward says:

In a disturbing (if unsurprising) trend, Republican FCC and FTC commissioners are deliberately misusing “free speech” rhetoric

This latest Double-em blog post exemplifies a selective and disingenuous application of free speech principles. While it criticizes GOP FTC commissioners for allegedly “abusing” free speech rhetoric, it conveniently ignores or justifies instances where restrictions on speech align with the author’s apparent political leanings. This inconsistency undermines the credibility of the argument and exposes a troubling bias that’s long been present on TD.

For example, MM positions himself as a defender of open dialogue but fails to acknowledge the potential for governmental overreach and censorship in contexts he supports. This double standard reflects a broader trend among commentators like the s.owner to decry censorship only when it challenges their preferred viewpoints. If the author were truly committed to protecting free expression, he would address the issue impartially, recognizing the dangers of any government interference in speech, regardless of the political context.

Accusing others of “abusing” free speech rhetoric while tacitly endorsing speech limitations in favor of specific political agendas is hypocritical at best and dangerous at worst. A principled stance would advocate for the same standards of free speech protection across the board, irrespective of partisan affiliations or ideological preferences. Selective advocacy not only undermines the cause of free speech but also erodes public trust in legitimate discussions about online speech regulation.

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Koby (profile) says:

Get Out Of Jail Free Revoked

First, every single terms of service on these kinds of platforms includes some variation of the line saying “and we can kick you off our platform for any reason whatsoever.” Because they can.

In this case, goat.com does in fact include a magical exemption to everything clause. https://www.goat.com/terms says:

“We reserve the right, in our sole discretion and to the fullest extent permitted by law, to modify, discontinue or terminate the Service and to modify these Terms at any time.”

However, the Amercian people reject this premise as unconscionable. Goat.com had an agreement, and the FTC rightfully forced them to live up to it. They cannot do whatever they want, despite what their terms of service might claim.

Anonymous Coward says:

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As usual your take on things has little to do with factual reality. Goat was dinged by the FTC because they violated a rule saying companies must have reasonable shipping practices and the reason they got dinged is because they didn’t even follow their own policy regarding the return of faulty goods.

TL;DR: Goat violated their own policy and they also violated the law. You have to be stupid to believe any of the fantasies Koby hallucinates on a regular basis since he totally detached from factual reality.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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the Amercian people reject this premise as unconscionable

Imagine if you took this idiotic logic of yours into meatspace. Do you really believe a Walmart should be unable to kick out a customer who is disturbing other customers without actually breaking the law?

Those “we can kick you off the platform for unspecified reasons” clauses give platforms the ability to boot troublemakers whose behavior is suspect but technically doesn’t violate any set rules. Without them, you’d have a Rules Lawyering Ouroboros: The platform would set rules, trolls would find loopholes, the platform would plug the loopholes, trolls would look for new loopholes and…well, you get the picture. Take that power away from platforms and I suspect they’d start to look more like current-day Twitter or 4chan⁠—i.e., examples of the “Worst People” Problem

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Koby (profile) says:

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Those “we can kick you off the platform for unspecified reasons” clauses give platforms the ability to boot troublemakers whose behavior is suspect but technically doesn’t violate any set rules.

Most of the “unspecified reasons” cases were not troublemakers. For situations like commercial spam, or profanity, those are easy to cite a specific rule. Instead, many agreed with these speakers, and even followed their message feed. The real reason for denying service was political disagreement.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The real reason for denying service was political disagreement.

We can all agree that calling somebody the n-word is 100% free speech and I will fight for that right.

Being denied service on a social media platform for using the n-word is not a political disagreement.

But of course Koby is a racist PoS, so he believes he is being politically persecuted when he is given the boot from a social media platform for calling people the n-word.

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Koby (profile) says:

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Nothing in the law prohibits a platform from banning people based on politics.

Perhaps. When we look at the terms of the agreement, we see this prohibition nowhere to be found. For quite some time, I’ve been calling for social media platforms to do precisely this. Go ahead and announce that you are going to outlaw conservative speech, or liberal speech. Whatever you want! Just admit it.

But the social media platforms didn’t want to do that, for fear of losing a huge portion of their audience, and creating competition unnecessarily. So in the meantime, until the big tech companies get the gumption to admit their biases, we are going to stick to the terms of the service agreement.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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For quite some time, I’ve been calling for social media platforms to do precisely this. Go ahead and announce that you are going to outlaw conservative speech, or liberal speech.

Now now, you know that most services already announce that they ban conservative speech. It’s right there in the rules that ban hate speech and harassment.

we are going to stick to the terms of the service agreement

By saying that, you’re actually arguing that the “we reserve the right to ban you for reasons not stated in the TOS” part of the TOS is perfectly fine. So what’s your fucking objection here, son?

MrWilson (profile) says:

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Koby’s contention is basically that companies aren’t giving him the opportunity to score political points by outright saying the things he thinks are true, which aren’t even actually true. Because he doesn’t recognize a difference between “hate speech isn’t allowed” and “conservative speech isn’t allowed.” He thinks there’s some cabal of social platform engineers meeting weekly to say, “how can we fuck over the conservative voices again this week?!?” instead of the reality of a moderator sending a message upstream to the people in charge, “sorry, but we’ve got more “free speech enthusiasts” threatening the safety of LGBTQ folks. Do you think this crosses the line?” Because ultimately, he’s one of those people who thinks anything can be made political and then it becomes unfair to discriminate against his perspective on it. We won’t be able to convince Koby that there isn’t a bias against conservatives specifically because the bias against hate speech correlates so well, and that says something about conservatives on social media and not about the biases of the platforms.

Anonymous Coward says:

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So what’s your fucking objection here, son?

He isn’t happy that assholes aren’t allowed to run roughshod all over social media. No actual conservative views have ever been subjected to the type of moderation that is applied to the assholes. He can’t wrap his head around the concept that using polite language for hate speech/racism etc is still just plain evasive assholery and not real conservative views.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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When we look at the terms of the agreement, we see this prohibition nowhere to be found.

The ability to ban these people based on “perspective bias” is enshrined in the 1st and 10th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America. It doesn’t need to be written in the terms of use. Private platforms not owned by the government/public can moderate as they see fit as an expression of their own 1st Amendment rights.

(Side note: I think I’m going to stop using the term “free speech” because the conservatives have twisted it too much to mean their non-legal bullying of private actors to give up their own free speech rights not to host a Nazi bar. It’s just “1st Amendment rights” from here on out because that’s the only free speech rights you legally have.)

MrWilson (profile) says:

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Instead, many agreed with these speakers, and even followed their message feed.

A mass amount of agreement doesn’t make a message okay. I can pull up some Nazi rally footage if you want to pretend agreement means someone is right or good or worth listening to. In the case of horrible people saying horrible things, yes, unfortunately, as we have seen numerous times, there can be a lot of agreement. It’s literally the signature of Trump’s support. People loved when he was cruel to others. People loved when he spread false, hateful statements about certain demographics.

The real reason for denying service was political disagreement.

[citation needed] This is the narrative the people who get banned will voice, but they also conflate their political thoughts with dehumanization, threats of violence, and harassment.

If you just post, “I’m a conservative and I voted for Trump,” you’re not likely to get a ban on a mainstream platform, especially not pre-musky scented Twitter. But when you post, “trans people are mentally unwell sexual predators,” you’re creating a hostile atmosphere for human beings based on defamatory propaganda. That’s not politics. That’s just hate.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

It’s Rocky. He’s been trying to troll regulars for a while. He’s been calling everyone else a troll, weaponizing language of inclusion to attack LGBTQ people, playing copycat, signing in sometimes but otherwise posting as if he’s another AC on the same thread and agreeing with his own posts or saying “actually the AC is right” to garner false consensus. He posted a bunch around the same time across multiple article comment sections all being contentious with others. This timestamp matches up with the others.

Rocky says:

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I guess I must have said something to make you have a little shitfit huh? Don’t think I haven’t seen your copy-cat shit going on but in contrast to the worthless little fucker you are I actually have more important things to do than be a shitty troll online every fucking day as a last gasp to get some social interaction. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your own shit instead of blaming others.

Fucking loser.

And why the fuck can’t TD fix the fucking gravatars?? It’s been years at this point.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I actually have more important things to do than be a shitty troll online every fucking day

Oh, I hope so. I’m tracking your activity and calling you out because you’ve been shitting in the comments section a lot. If you have something more important to do, I encourage it. You say you do and then you troll across the whole site trying to gaslight people.

When you troll and then get emotionally upset for being called out for trolling, it might be a sign you should give it up. This is supposed to be fun, but you’re ruining it for yourself. People aren’t getting upset with you. They’re amused at how transparent your bullshit is.

And why the fuck can’t TD fix the fucking gravatars??

And yet you’ve used this to your advantage. You could solve the issue by registering an account.

Rocky says:

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I’m tracking your activity and calling you out

Oh, “tracking”.. Please enlighten everyone how you do that? Telepathy? Secret codes? Hacked the site? What a fucking stupid thing to say.

When you troll and then get emotionally upset for being called out for trolling, it might be a sign you should give it up. This is supposed to be fun, but you’re ruining it for yourself. People aren’t getting upset with you. They’re amused at how transparent your bullshit is.

Talk about being so fucking full of oneself that you ascribe emotions to someone for their imagined actions. If you aren’t aware of it, I don’t get upset by idiots saying stupid things but I use emotional language to make a point of how stupid they are, like how stupid you are because you think you can fucking “track” people with nothing to go on. You are now at the stupid clown rating.

You haven’t been on this site very long, so you may have missed that this type of conversations have came up before from idiots like you. You can go and look through older posts by me and why idiots like you usually shut up when they realize something important.

And my fun derives from the fact that I know when idiots like you pop up, you say the stupidest shit while thinking you are the smartest fucker around which allows anyone with a functional brain to pick apart the illogical mess little shits like you barf out.

Now, are you going to put a name to your posts like an adult or are you going to keep hiding and impersonating other people like the cowardly troll you are? Lets see another accusatory post from you where you deflect and gaslight some more!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

And here you are, attacking the real Rocky (going by his writing style) because he’s rightfully angry that someone else used his name. That gives everyone here the right to call you a troll and quote “Every accusation a confession” at you whenever you attack others for their apparent lack of reading comprehension.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

You’re Rocky, ironically, claiming to have been the person impersonating you. How do I know? Because I’m the one who impersonated Rocky to point out that his attempts at using anonymity to his advantage by pretending to be more than one person (as you continue to do here) can be used against him. And it worked. Stephen wasn’t trolled when Rocky was impersonated. Rocky was trolled.

So, as you are wont to say: Whoooosh!

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:8

And yet, here you are, looking all kinds of upset about someone calling you a troll.

I’m not at all upset that someone calls me troll, I’m neither upset about stupid people saying stupid things. When dealing with stupid people I speak with utter disdain, and if you think that’s me being upset that’s entirely on you.

Re-read what I wrote above and take what I said here into account.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Oh, “tracking”.. Please enlighten everyone how you do that? Telepathy? Secret codes? Hacked the site? What a fucking stupid thing to say.

Pattern recognition. You repeat the same behavior, use the same vocabulary and phrasing, attack the same people, post at the same times, talk about the same subject matters. It’s not hard. And you already know this because I’ve been pointing it out.

If you aren’t aware of it, I don’t get upset by idiots saying stupid things but I use emotional language to make a point of how stupid they are

You do realize people won’t take you at your word when your behavior contradicts it?

You haven’t been on this site very long, so you may have missed that this type of conversations have came up before from idiots like you.

I’ve been reading and commenting here for at least 15 years. I clashed with Out of the Blue and The Anti-Mike back in the day. What were you saying about idiots saying stupid things?

Now, are you going to put a name to your posts like an adult or are you going to keep hiding and impersonating other people like the cowardly troll you are?

I do put a name on my posts. I have an account. I just don’t troll the trolls when signed in, especially because your pattern of behavior is to troll regulars who are signed in. I used your tactics against you. You signed a name sometimes (not the same thing as registering an account) and didn’t sign a name sometimes and purported to be someone else agreeing with yourself and faked a consensus among ACs to support your own arguments. You tried to reverse uno card every accusation against you. If you’re going to be play dirty, you don’t get to complain when other people do the same.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Pattern recognition. You repeat the same behavior, use the same vocabulary and phrasing, attack the same people, post at the same times, talk about the same subject matters.

So you’re good at pattern recognition, well done. Shame that doesn’t solve your clear reading comprehension issues such that you can’t see the difference between the real Rocky’s writing style and that of the troll, a problem you clearly share with Stephen T. Stone.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

This thread of you posting multiple times is hilarious, Rocky. It’s like watching the Nutty Professor in here. “I’m totally a different person, I swear!” There just happens to be a bunch of trolls that all attack Stephen’s comments in a row with similar remarks on an article where no one else is posting. Such a strange coincidence!

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Pattern recognition. You repeat the same behavior, use the same vocabulary and phrasing, attack the same people, post at the same times, talk about the same subject matters. It’s not hard. And you already know this because I’ve been pointing it out.

Pattern recognition huh?

Here’s a little tidbit for you: The brain is very good at pattern recognition and it is in fact so “good” it finds patterns where there are none, it is called apophenia. Couple that with wanting to find specific patterns where there are none and suddenly you have gone down the same route any nutty conspiracy theorist have gone.

You do realize people won’t take you at your word when your behavior contradicts it?

As I told Stephen, you are confusing my utter disdain for stupid people with being upset.

I’ve been reading and commenting here for at least 15 years. I clashed with Out of the Blue and The Anti-Mike back in the day. What were you saying about idiots saying stupid things?

Any idiot can claim anything without evidence but it doesn’t make it true.

I do put a name on my posts. I have an account. I just don’t troll the trolls when signed in, especially because your pattern of behavior is to troll regulars who are signed in.

I do? Funny that, someone trolled you but it wasn’t me.

I used your tactics against you.

No, you are using someone’s tactic against me. Are you smart enough to realize what I’m saying here?

You signed a name sometimes (not the same thing as registering an account) and didn’t sign a name sometimes and purported to be someone else agreeing with yourself and faked a consensus among ACs to support your own arguments.

Let me just enlighten you to something that may blow your mind, anyone can use the name Rocky which means your pattern recognition and facts aren’t. I don’t have the time to find every troll who does that, but apparently you do. It’s easy to know which posts are mine, I usually point out stupidity rooted in factual reality.

You tried to reverse uno card every accusation against you. If you’re going to be play dirty, you don’t get to complain when other people do the same.

I don’t need to play dirty in this context for the simple reason that it is cheating, and anyone who has to cheat to win a debate is a stupid fucking loser. Why would anyone stoop that level that you just did?

Grow the fuck up and accept that you were trolled by someone that has been using my nym the last month. It’s not the first time this has happened which you should fucking know if you have been here 15 years. It’s concerning that you couldn’t even spot that this particular troll’s mode of writing is very different from mine, so much for your vaunted “pattern recognition”. I’ll fix that now and then you are going to apologize to me.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

FYI, I didn’t steal anything. All I did was copy your comment and rewrite parts of it to put Koby in a position that’s much harder to wriggle out of than the one you attempted to put him in. Yet here you are, swinging in exactly like the copyright maximalists you claim to detest, saying I “stole” something that, by definition, is impossible to steal – i.e., your copyrighted words.

Cat_Daddy (profile) says:

This is what happens when you let loyalty be the defining factor of your administration. You get lies, corruption, inefficiency, toxicity and infighting. The fact that both republican commissioners from the FCC and the FTC claim they have authority to regulate content moderations confirms one thing: the next administration is going to be chaotic as hell.

Anonymous Coward says:

I mean, if nothing else, it is a good thing that Carr is so overtly tittering and giddy about his go at playing agency representative that he’s already describing his grandiose enforcement fantasies rather than keeping it all in his pocket. Means you can point to easily available statements from the horse’s mouth if you want to make a point.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'Any consequences whatsoever are violations of republican rights!'

Horrifying given who it’s coming from but sadly not at all surprising. After all when you’ve got a party that considers objective reality an offensive fiction and free speech to not only only apply to your side but include a ‘consequence-free clause’ this is exactly the sort of tantrum throwing that results from pesky stuff like ‘reality’ and ‘the actual laws/constitutional rights’ clashing with your beliefs/claims.

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

“to unlawfully remove Americans off their platforms”

Exactly what law?
I ask only because as a member of the government it is expected that you be truthful & if you are going to make a habit of lying it undermines the public trust in you.

“to be unlawfully limiting Americans’ ability to exchange ideas freely and openly”

Again what law?
I would love to be made aware of as its never come up before except in the fever dreams of people who are mad they were booted from a platform for violating that platforms policies.

Please explain why you are going to bat for Elmo, he is a private citizen with one of those platforms you claim is violating unnamed laws, not to mention the other laws like the free exchange of CSAM on his platform. He in fact restored the account of someone booted off for selling CSAM. Gee I can have my advertisements on a platform what doesn’t traffic in CSAM, Nazi imagery, calls to send bomb threats but these government officials seem to think it is their duty to demand that companies advertise on platforms they feel are damaging to its brand and willing to use the power of their office to make it happen. There is a real law thing you should read as you resign.

You are unfit for the job you have, you are to stupid to have any power over anything other than a dull crayon, and I hope that you leave and fade away like a bad memeory of when they gave government positions to the mentally challenged who imaged themselves working for Elmo instead of the American people.

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