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California HOAs Are Buying Up Flock License Plate Readers; Giving Cops Open Access To Them

from the HOAs-still-insisting-on-being-insufferable dept

Flock Safety — a relatively recent entrant to the surveillance tech arena — is branching out. It’s courting cops with cheap ALPR cameras, unproven claims about crime reduction, and a little lawbreaking of its own.

But it hasn’t abandoned its roots. It first hit the scene with plate readers it pitched to the Fun Police: homeowners associations and the even deeper pockets overseeing our nation’s many gated communities.

Flock tells HOAs and the heads of carefully curated communities things like “Flock Safety is the only security camera that stops property crime.” It’s a laughable claim. For one, Flock’s cameras are cameras and pretty much any security camera will have some effect on crime. Second, cameras don’t prevent crime. They simply make it easier to investigate crime.

The ALPRs sold to HOAs by Flock may have a bit more of a preventative effect. “May” is the operative word — one not found in Flock’s advertising materials. And, given what’s already been reported about Flock’s HOA inroads, it appears Flock views itself as just another cop shop, albeit one that has (until recently) courted private markets.

It apparently encourages private purchasers of its cameras and plate readers to regard themselves the same way. As this report by Eli Wolfe for The Oaklandside points out, Flock customers are doing what the city of Oakland can’t (at least at this point): filling neighborhoods with ALPRs and providing cops with access to whatever’s been collected.

Last October, the city of Oakland announced it would soon be installing 300 automated license plate readers—cameras that monitor public streets and instantly scan vehicle license plates, running them against “hot lists” for stolen cars or vehicles associated with crimes. 

But the rollout of Oakland’s big new vehicle surveillance system has gotten bogged down as officials from the city and California Highway Patrol try to figure out how to pay for and operate the cameras.

Meanwhile, private communities in Oakland are speeding ahead with plans to install similar—albeit smaller—surveillance systems to watch public roads. At least one homeowner group already has cameras up and running and is sharing data with law enforcement agencies.

I guess the theory in Oakland is that adding a bunch of ALPR cameras will suddenly make ALPRs useful. They certainly haven’t been so far. According to earlier reporting, the Oakland PD has had 36 patrol cars outfitted with ALPRs, but those failed to generate a single investigative lead in 2022. This group of cameras was perhaps key to the recovery of 57 cars in 13 years: roughly four per year.

So, the city will eventually add 300 cameras in a move that values quantity over quality. Until that network’s in place, it appears some people in the private sector are willing to spend their own money to fill supposed gaps in coverage — especially if those “gaps” include their little fiefdoms.

The one HOA giving law enforcement agencies access to its cameras has proven incredibly popular, especially with the California Highway Patrol — an entity that generally isn’t tasked with patrolling residential areas.

Jim Donatell, a member of the board of directors of the Lakeshore association, said that between mid-February and mid-March, the cameras captured images of 347,000 license plates and got 259 hits on “hot lists” for vehicles wanted in connection to crimes or missing persons. The nine local law enforcement agencies that have access to the group’s camera data conducted 5,540 searches during that period.

The California Highway Patrol conducted the most searches of the HOA’s camera data: 3,476 over the last month.

The article cites stats provided by the CHP, which has engaged in two “surge” operations since the beginning of the year, resulting in several dozen arrests and hundreds of recovered vehicles. Donatell believes the HOA’s cameras contributed to these efforts but, of course, has no data to back that up. The CHP has also not provided any information that would suggest the HOA’s network of eight cameras (and the CHP’s thousands of searches) helped add to the arrest/recovery tally.

And that’s part of the problem here. The HOA is a private organization and Flock is a private company. Neither is obliged to provide information to the public about these cameras, despite the fact that law enforcement agencies are accessing collected data more frequently than the cameras’ private owners.

This access is apparently plug-and-play, right out of the box, so long as law enforcement sign an agreement with Flock.

According to Donatell, the cameras were only active for a few hours before law enforcement agencies started using them in searches. It’s also easy to give agencies access to the system, Donatell said. 

“With Flock, it was literally a five-minute interaction,” Donatell said. The HOA is unable to share data with Oakland police because the department doesn’t have an agreement in place with Flock, he said.

Problematic, but not much anyone can do about that. Private entities are free to share whatever they want with public agencies. The fact that this information includes stuff generated by people who never agreed to this information-sharing doesn’t really matter, not when it’s nothing more than snapping shots of license plates on cars traversing public roads.

Oddly, it’s the purchasers of the cameras who are more limited in their access to information. The article points out private ALPR operators are informed of hot list hits, but provided no information about the vehicles themselves. They can also see when and how often law enforcement performs searches of their data, but have no insight into why the search was performed or what vehicles were targeted.

This asymmetric “sharing” strongly suggests Flock feels its cameras should be natural extensions of surveillance networks constructed by government agencies, rather than something belonging to the entities that actually purchased the cameras. It also suggests there’s no reason to install these if you’re not going to give law enforcement access to data, because without the information law enforcement has access to, they’re pretty much useless to HOAs and gated communities.

Given these facts, this probably isn’t going to end well. At some point, Flock, its private customers, or its law enforcement data leaches are going to do something to screw this up. And when that happens, cities and states are going to be forced to do a little bit more direct regulation of consumer surveillance products.

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Dan B says:

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There is a $250 fine (per offense) for “alter[ing] a license plate to avoid visual or electronic capture of the license plate or its characters by state or local law enforcement”.

Which seems reasonable, to be honest. The whole point of having license plates on cars is for people to be able to read them.

Tirear says:

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On paper, the plates are being captured by private individuals. If the coating is effective against cameras while letting human eyeballs work fine, and the “state or local law enforcement” isn’t officially using any cameras, then the “per offense” part may translate to “times zero”.

Dan B says:

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then the “per offense” part may translate to “times zero”

I don’t see that holding up in court, unless you have some magical coating that only works on private citizens. Otherwise, the first time a cop tries to read your license plate and can’t, you get to try a defense of “oh, I was just stopping private citizens from reading it. It is just an eerie coincidence that it stops police too, that wasn’t what I intended”.

Anonymous Coward says:

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If the coating is effective against cameras while letting human eyeballs work fine, then the fact that “state or local law enforcement” isn’t officially using any cameras doesn’t matter because you’re still “alter[ing] a license plate to avoid visual or electronic capture of the license plate or its characters by state or local law enforcement,” dipshit.

terribly tired (profile) says:

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Ah. Yeah I’m not surprised. They were made illegal to apply to plates where I am, too, about nine seconds after they were brought to market.

Still – if I had the money I’d take the fines, making damn sure to explain to the cops every single time that while I fully understand the reasoning behind banning the sprays’ use, I’ll be fucked if I’m ever consciously allowing any random halfwit with a camera to create time-series data of my movements.

If governments and the world’s largest tech companies can’t be arsed to secure actually sensitive data, what’re the odds some back-asswards HoA wannabe-spies are going to manage it?

Anonymous Coward says:

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The only legal method and also the only one that will defeat alprs is using infra red LEDs which will blind cameras but not be visible to the human eye.

You can buy the parts in any electronics supply house, just make sure the LEDs are designed for 12 volts.

Blimfung the cameras with radiation the human eye cannot see does not break any laws

Anonymous Coward says:

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They’re nice in theory but (anecdotally – I could be wrong)

HOAs are kind of the convergence of two branches of history. One side is benign enough: you’ve got some common areas—a pool for several townhouses, or the elevators in a high-rise building—that legitimately need to be paid for and managed. And then there’s the darker history, where there’s no obvious reason for an HOA, but people wanted to enforce confirmity (originally by outright banning certain “races” of people, till that was struck down).

In any case, they’re effectively a level of government not bound by federal or state Constitutions, and whose dealings are relatively opaque—with only the homeowners eligible to vote, and probably no reporters watching. In the best cases, nobody’s likely to be enthusiastic about them, but things run well enough that nobody complains either. On the other hand, if a power-seeking busy-body moves in…

Koby (profile) says:

It Definitely Works

Homeowners have been putting up signs in their yard to deter theft for decades. Surveys of convicted criminals have shown that burglars definitely avoid homes with security signage. In fact, it’s effective enough that some people without a security system will nonetheless buy and display just a sign.

The main thing to ensure that these HOAs benefit from the deterrent effect of security cameras will be to prominently display signage at the entrance. Crooks aren’t stupid.

miked says:

It is closer to 500 cameras.

This story has been all over the local news recently. The CHP will be installing 480 cameras in and around Oakland. There should be around 300 on Oakland streets with the remaining on state freeways running through Oakland. It is assumed CHP will be in control but exact details are murky.

https://sfstandard.com/2024/03/29/newsom-to-install-500-surveillance-cameras-in-oakland-to-fight-crime/

The CHP, which normally operates on state highways, has had several “surge” operations in Oakland to assist the PD with sideshows and stolen vehicles.

Anonymous Coward says:

1984

if anyone has ever seen the way the UK has setup it’s camera’s. camera’s everywhere! all connected to some central hub! so if a shoplifter is detected! the blue lies mafia can follow from inside the store to street to home!
it’s only a matter of time before 1984 hits our streets! and with the digital dushe dollar getting ready to be forced down our thoughts! it’s just one more nail in that coffin!

Anonymous Coward says:

My city recently installed Flock LPRs
I do not like the whole Big Brother aspect of it but I do like the fact that the have transparency report and Acceptable use policies for the data that do seems to respect peoples privacy.

Already helped solve an abduction and locate a few stolen cars resulting in arrests.

https://transparency.flocksafety.com/whitehall-oh-pd

Anonymous Coward says:

Just get some infra red LEDs and blind the cameras

You can buy them at any elevtrnics supply store in town

Just make sure they designed to operate on 12 volts they wire them up to your cars electrical system

This homebrew system of blinding cameras does not break any laws because the plates are still visible to the human eye.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Giving information does not break the law

In Usenet newsgroups I mentioned that abortion clinics in California can use jammers to prevent location information from being sent out to keep their home states from knowing where they are

That fact some states might make pregnant wen wear an ankle bracelet is a good reason for clinics to use jamming devices to prevent the bracelet from sending back their location

One clown I used to argue with before Google Groups went away claimed my merely giving information was a crime.

They were wrong, it is not a crime to give information about how to foil tracking, whether it be through a cell phone or an ankle bracelet.

And before that around 2008 when I lived in Australia and posted information on how USA/Australia dual nationals living in Australia could travel to Cuba without running into the travel ban by avoiding a USA connecting city by taking the right flights

Some anti Castro cuban exiles claimed I was breaking us laws giving information on what flights to take.

They were wrong. Information is NOT a crime

Even if it were I woukd not have been caught bevause I use VPN and Tor so I cannot be traced.

And I was using a VPN in Iran, who wouid never cooperate with American authorities

I do that now when posting here because I have no doubt the feds are likely watching my posts here.

Tor by itself makes you untraceable, VPN makes you more so. I use VPNsin countries who will never cooperate with the USA

Anonymous Coward says:

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Information is not First Amendment protected speech if it tells people how to commit crimes. In such a case it falls under one of the exceptions to the First Amendment, so your equating your speech to others telling you to STFU and go away is a false equivalence, which is a fallacious argument, just as AC suggested, dipshit.

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