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Finally! An Interesting Twitter Files That Appears To Reveal Sketchy Government Behavior

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We finally have an interesting edition of the Twitter files!

When the Twitter Files began, I actually expected something interesting to come out of them. All of the big tech companies have been unfortunately unwilling to be as transparent as they could be about how their content moderation practices work. Much of the transparency we’ve received has been either through whistleblowers leaking information (which is often misinterpreted by journalists) or through the companies partnering with academics, which often leads to rather dry analysis of what’s happening, and which maybe a dozen people read. There have been moments of openness, but the messy stuff gets hidden.

So I had hoped that when Elon took over and announced his plans to be transparent about what had happened in the past, we might actually learn some dirt. Because there’s always some dirt. The big question was what form that dirt might take, and how much of it was systemic rather than one-time errors and mistakes. But, until now, the Twitter Files have been worse than useless. They were presented by journalists who had neither the knowledge nor the experience to understand what they were looking at, combined with an apparent desire to present the narrative in a certain framing.

Because of that, I’ve written multiple posts walking through the “evidence” presented, and showing how Musk’s chosen reporters didn’t understand things and were misrepresenting reality. Given that most journalist know to put the important revelations up top, and that each new “release” in the Twitter files seemed more breathless, but less interesting, than the previous ones, I was basically expecting nothing at all of interest to come from the files. Indeed, that was a disappointment.

As Stanford’s Renee DiResta noted, this was a real missed opportunity. If the files had actually been handed over to people who understand this field, what was important, and what was banal everyday trust & safety work, the real stories could have been discussed.

The Twitter Files thus far are a missed opportunity. To settle scores with Twitter’s previous leaders, the platform’s new owner is pointing to niche examples of arguable excesses and missteps, possibly creating far more distrust in the process. And yet there is a real need for public understanding of how platform moderation works, and visibility into how enforcement matches up against policy. We can move toward genuine transparency—and, hopefully, toward a future in which people can see the same facts in similar ways.

So when the Intercept’s Lee Fang kicked off the 8th installment of the Twitter files, I was not expecting much at all. After all, Fang was one of the authors of the very recent garbage Intercept story that totally misunderstood the role of CISA in the government and (falsely) argued that the government demanded Twitter censor the Hunter Biden laptop story. The fact that the evidence from the Twitter files totally disproved his earlier story should at least result in Fang questioning his understanding of these things.

And yet… it appears that he may have (finally) legitimately found a real story of malfeasance in the Twitter files in his most recent installment. Like all the others, he initially posted his findings — where he admits he was granted access to Twitter’s internal systems via a Twitter-employed lawyer who would search for and access the documents he requested — on Twitter in a messy and hard to follow thread. He then posted a more complete story on The Intercept.

The story is still somewhat messy and confused, and it’s not entirely clear Fang even fully realizes what he found, but it does suggest serious malfeasance on the part of the government. It actually combines a few other stories we’ve covered recently. First, towards the end of the summer, Twitter and Meta announced that they had found and taken down a disinformation campaign running on their platforms — and all signs suggested the campaign was being run by the US government.

As was noted at the time, the propaganda campaign did not appear to be all that successful. Indeed, it was kind of pathetic. From the details, it sounded like someone in the US government had the dumb idea of “hey, let’s just create our own propaganda social media accounts to counter foreign propaganda accounts,” rather than embracing “hey, we’re the US government, we can just speak openly and transparently.” The overall failure of the campaign was… not surprising. And we were happy that Twitter and Meta killed the campaign (and now we’re hearing that the US government is doing an investigation into how this campaign came to be in the first place).

The second recent story we had was about Meta’s “Xcheck” program, which was initially revealed in the Facebook files as a special kind of “whitelist” for high profile accounts. Meta asked the Oversight Board to review the program, and just a few weeks ago the Oversight Board finally released its analysis and suggestions (after a year of researching the program). It turns out that it’s basically just like what we said when the program was first revealed: after a few too many “false positives” on high profile accounts became embarrassing (for example, then President Obama’s Facebook account was taken down because he recommended the book “Moby Dick” and there was an automated flag on the word “dick”), someone at Facebook instituted the Xcheck program to effectively whitelist high profile individuals so that flags on their account would need to be reviewed by a human before any action was taken.

As we discussed in our podcast about Xcheck, in many ways, Facebook was choosing to favor “false negatives” for high profile accounts over “false positives.” The end result, then, is that high profile accounts are effectively allowed to get away with more, and violate the rules with a larger lag for consequences, but they’re less likely to be suspended accidentally. Tradeoffs. The entire content moderation space is full of them.

Again as we noted when that story first came out, basically every social media platform has some form of this in action. It almost becomes necessary to deal with the scale and not accidentally ban your most high profile users. But, it comes with some serious risks and issues, which are also highlighted in the Oversight Board’s policy recommendations regarding Xcheck.

Thus, it’s not at all surprising that Twitter clearly has a similar whitelist feature. This was actually somewhat revealed in an earlier Twitter File when Bari Weiss, thinking she was revealing unfair treatment of the @LibsOfTikTok account, actually revealed it was on a similar Xcheck style whitelist that clearly showed a flag on the account saying DO NOT TAKE ACTION ON USER WITHOUT CONSULTING an executive team.

That’s all background that finally gets us to the Lee Fang story. It reveals that the US government apparently got some of its accounts onto this whitelist after they had been dinged earlier. The accounts, at the time, were properly labeled as being run by the US government. But here’s the nefarious bit: sometime after that, the accounts changed to no longer be transparent about the US government being behind them, but because they were on this whitelist it’s likely that they were able to get away with sketchy behavior with less review by Twitter, and it likely took longer to catch that they were engaged in a state-backed propaganda campaign.

As the article notes, in 2017, someone at the US government noticed that these accounts — which, again, at the time clearly said they were run by the US government — were somehow limited by Twitter:

On July 26, 2017, Nathaniel Kahler, at the time an official working with U.S. Central Command — also known as CENTCOM, a division of the Defense Department — emailed a Twitter representative with the company’s public policy team, with a request to approve the verification of one account and “whitelist” a list of Arab-language accounts “we use to amplify certain messages.”

“We’ve got some accounts that are not indexing on hashtags — perhaps they were flagged as bots,” wrote Kahler. “A few of these had built a real following and we hope to salvage.” Kahler added that he was happy to provide more paperwork from his office or SOCOM, the acronym for the U.S. Special Operations Command.

Now, it seems reasonable to question whether or not Twitter should have put them on a whitelist in the first place, but if they were properly marked, and not engaged in violative behavior, you can see how it happened. But Twitter absolutely should have had policies stating that if those accounts have their descriptions or names or whatever changed, the whitelist flag should automatically be removed, or at least sent up for a human review to make sure it was still appropriate. And that apparently did not happen.

As The Intercept report notes, Twitter at this time was under tremendous pressure from basically all corners about the fact that ISIS was an effective user of social media for recruitment and propaganda. So the company had been somewhat aggressive in trying to stamp that out. And it sounds like the US accounts got caught up in those efforts.

So there is a lot of interesting stuff revealed here: more details on the US government’s foreign social media propaganda campaigns, and more evidence of how Twitter’s “whitelist” program works and the fact that it did not appear to have very good controls (not that surprising, as almost no company’s similar tool has good controls, as we saw with the OSB’s analysis of Xcheck for Meta).

But… the spin that “Twitter aided the Pentagon in its covert online propaganda campaign,” is, yet again, kinda missing the important stuff here. Neither the Pentagon nor Twitter look good in this report, but in an ideal world it would lead to more openness (a la the OBS’s look into Xcheck) regarding how Twitter’s whitelist program works, as well as more revelations about how the DOD was able to run its foreign propaganda campaign, including how it changed Twitter accounts from being public about their affiliation to hiding it.

This is where it would be useful if a reporter who understood how all this worked was involved in the research and could ask questions of Twitter regarding how big the whitelist is (for Meta it reached about 6 million users), and what the process was for getting on it. What controls were there? Who could put people on the whitelist? Were there ever any attempts to review those who were on the whitelist to see if they abused their status? All of that would be interesting to know, and as Renee DiResta’s piece noted, would be the kinds of questions that actual experts would ask if Elon gave them access to these files, rather than… whoever he keeps giving them to.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Yeah that tracks, this is what you would be upset about

Actual smoking gun evidence of the FBI requesting people being banned, you pretend that it doesn’t show that. (not pretend, you’re lying)

There was a few dozen direct FBI transplants working at twitter, you don’t care.

You claim to hate the FBI but you’re giving them all sorts of cover.

But the government wants to engage in foreign propaganda (or even internal..the government has free speech rights too) THAT’S what gets your attention. Reasonable people can disagree to what degree the fed should be doing psyops targeted at enemy countries, but at least it’s not a constitutional violation. Directing Twitter on who they should ban is.

The fact that Twitter was whitelisting at government is considerably LESS remarkable than the fact they were blacklisting at government direction (because the latter is unconstituional) but you want to pretend the latter didn’t happen. Yet it’s just the inverse of this.

But this is what gets you to perk up and stop shilling. You god damned idiot.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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Actual smoking gun evidence of the FBI requesting people being banned, you pretend that it doesn’t show that. (not pretend, you’re lying)

It’s not pretend; that’s just the facts of the matter.

There was a few dozen direct FBI transplants working at twitter, you don’t care.

I’m unaware of this, but if so, no, I don’t care.

You claim to hate the FBI but you’re giving them all sorts of cover.

When the FBI actually does something wrong or sketchy, BestNetTech has had no problems calling them out.

But the government wants to engage in foreign propaganda (or even internal..the government has free speech rights too) THAT’S what gets your attention.

Because it’s actually sketchy, unlike the other stuff you mention.

Reasonable people can disagree to what degree the fed should be doing psyops targeted at enemy countries, but at least it’s not a constitutional violation. Directing Twitter on who they should ban is.

Again, there is no evidence that the FBI directed Twitter on who they should ban, so there is no constitutional violation.

The fact that Twitter was whitelisting at government is considerably LESS remarkable than the fact they were blacklisting at government direction (because the latter is unconstituional) but you want to pretend the latter didn’t happen.

Because there is still no evidence that the latter happened. You saying that it did over and over again isn’t convincing. Pointing to the existing Twitter Files won’t cut it, either, as they don’t actually support your claim.

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Anathema Device (profile) says:

Of course this was under the Trump administration

Just goes to show, if you give bad actors an inch, they take the entire highway.

It also goes to show how craven tech companies as a whole, along with the MSM, were towards the tfg’s entire criminal exercise.

Ironically Twitter users can be the checks and balances the company itself needs over this kind of thing…but not under the current owner. I gather that’s a feature not a bug with Musky boy.

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Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

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Random very tangential question since you seem to be engaging with trouble with other conversations here, but do you like baking?

I’m not very good at it, but fresh bread is worth the effort, as are cookies. Since it’s the holiday season, I have to ask: do you like sugar cookies? I think they’re better soft, but it seems like all you can find in the store are chalky ones.

At least there’s petit fours, right?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Myself, I am partial to Springerle. Anise flavor, keep forever. But many of my friends-and-relatives either don’t like anise, or have dentures.

Most likely, my next batch of Springerle will be for myself alone.

And yes, I am happy to derail a drama thread, and split off a cookie thread, even here on BestNetTech. I cook, and I am tired of hiding it!

Anonymous Coward says:

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Amaretti is a favorite this time of year. When you’re busy with everything else but still want to have something to feed the cookie craving, it doesn’t get much simpler than these.

And I agree about homemade bread. I always think about the “effort” involved, but can’t wrap my head around the fact that the lion’s share is just waiting.

Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

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I used to make bread semi-monthly but a lack of space here. I had a book with some great easy recipes, though. I’m going to need to get some more together, I think. I want to get to the level where I can make bagels someday, though.

I’m going to have to try making Amaretti when I can, I love almond and those look really soft and like you say, easy.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The honey balls? Yeah, those are always a crowd pleaser. And they’re nothing short of delicious.

I’m also going to bring up ricotta cookies and those leaf-shaped ones that are green or fuscia on top and chocolate on the bottom. Never made the latter, but when I start thinking about the rest of these, those immediately invade the conversation.

Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

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Hmm, honey balls? Is that the same thing? What I’m thinking of is fairly doughy and simple to the point of being bland?

Those green cookies? The closest thing I can think of is Cassatella di sant’Agata that’s also ricotta, though you said a different cookie so that’d be butter cookies I think, look for ‘Italian butter cookie’ or just ‘green leaf butter cookies’. Pretty sure the green is meant to be pistachio and the pink/red is meant to be strawberry.

Good stuff.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

And yet somehow people will scream that this means Libs of Tiktok was hampered in some way by the evil evil left.

If Twitter had just admitted the program actually existed rather than trying to keep it hidden it wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. Instead they decided that the best way to protect the secret was to lie early & lie often ignoring how that was damaging how people saw them.

Its sorta sad that there are probably no records of how the covert bots managed to trip whatever moderation lead to them being shadowbanned. If they were just pushing peace love & puppies, it shouldn’t have triggered anything… but then we also know Twitters policies depended on who saw the thing as if it was a venial sin or mortal.

On a side note, I wish someone would run my account and show the notes. I think it would be fun to see who I really really pissed off.

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Koby (profile) says:

Put The Wolf In Charge of the Chicken Coop

This is where it would be useful if a reporter who understood how all this worked was involved in the research and could ask questions of Twitter

The reporters who you think are qualified are the same ones who have spiked true stories to assist the government propagandists. If we followed your advice, none of this would have seen the light of day.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Koby, remember that time you thought Facebook could get a lawsuit dismissed using §230 when the lawsuit was over Facebook’s own speech?

Considering how fundamentally wrong you were to make that assertion, why should anybody take anything you say as nothing more than a crazed MAGA that has consumed too much kool aid?

I mean seriously, how could somebody be so wrong about what §230 does and still try to come here and tell us we are wrong?

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Yann Gbedo says:

This is the first installment that was a big doozy but...

I appreciate that you’re able to recognize this story for how big it is, but the fact that you don’t use that occasion to go back on the rest of the files and ask yourself if you weren’t a tiny bit biased in how you covered them is pretty sad.

Most of this has been typical leftist infested company acts like leftists would amongst leftists.

They clearly targeted one side of the political spectrum more both through disparate enforcing, and through politically biased terms of services. They made rules as they went in some cases just because they hated so or so person. They had white and black lists of people depending on their own feelings, not policy, and now we learn, based on doing favours to a government agency they pretended to be neutral to. They were provably lax on some of the worst content you could find on twitter( and likely still can to some extent ) whilst overworking on things they naturally didn’t like. They gave checkmarks based on favours, connections and money, rather than “noteriety”.

But yes yes, all the other twitter files were nothing but bs by people who understand nothing about nothing, and you’re the one special snowflake with your herd of simps who’s just so well informed. So well informed that the fbi lying about the origins of the laptop to influence twitter’s actions is just fine and there was no coercion ever because the professional intel agents weren’t stupid enough to write an email saying “take this down or else”.

I’m glad you’re not just blind tho. You just might be a useful read every now and then.

bhull242 (profile) says:

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I appreciate that you’re able to recognize this story for how big it is, but the fact that you don’t use that occasion to go back on the rest of the files and ask yourself if you weren’t a tiny bit biased in how you covered them is pretty sad.

Because they’re completely unrelated. That one instance of something shady occurred doesn’t mean that every conspiracy theory is more likely to be true.

Most of this has been typical leftist infested company acts like leftists would amongst leftists.

How so?

They clearly targeted one side of the political spectrum more both through disparate enforcing, […]

[citation needed]

[…] and through politically biased terms of services. They made rules as they went in some cases just because they hated so or so person.

Do you have any specific examples of this? Nothing I can see in the Twitter ToS appears politically biased to me.

Plus, even if true, that would have nothing at all to do with the accusations made relating to the Twitter Files.

They had white and black lists of people depending on their own feelings, not policy, […]

I don’t know of any blacklists, but the whitelists had nothing to do with personal feelings; they were based on whether they were a celebrity or a significant government figure.

[…] and now we learn, based on doing favours to a government agency they pretended to be neutral to.

That’s not supported by the evidence. Twitter only banned 40% of the accounts indicated by the FBI, and the FBI made no recommendations as to what to do with the accounts listed. That’s incredibly weak evidence of Twitter doing favors for the FBI.

They were provably lax on some of the worst content you could find on twitter( and likely still can to some extent ) whilst overworking on things they naturally didn’t like.

They were most lax regarding conservative and right-leaning figures, which is the exact opposite of what you’re alleging.

They gave checkmarks based on favours, connections and money, rather than “noteriety”.

The checkmarks were certainly problematic, but I don’t know what they could have done differently without creating more issues.

But yes yes, all the other twitter files were nothing but bs by people who understand nothing about nothing, and you’re the one special snowflake with your herd of simps who’s just so well informed.

No one is alleging that any of the Twitter Files are BS; they just don’t say what some people (including Elon Musk) claims they are saying, and they don’t demonstrate either liberal bias on Twitter’s part or infringement on the 1A (based on current 1A case law). As far as I can tell, the files are genuine, but they don’t have the implications being claimed.

So well informed that the fbi lying about the origins of the laptop to influence twitter’s actions is just fine […]

Again, the files don’t support that accusation.

[…] and there was no coercion ever because the professional intel agents weren’t stupid enough to write an email saying “take this down or else”.

Nor anything similar to that. Nor did Twitter interpret them as orders. Nor were there any government-imposed consequences for Twitter failing to act on 60% of them. Nor is there any evidence of Twitter getting any benefits from the government for acting on the other 40%. Basically, there is nothing to indicate coercion here at all.

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Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

OMFG that whitelist existing at all confirms what I’ve been saying about Twitter erring on the side of letting people get away with violations that are abusive. I guess they justified it for the sake of driving traffic via engagement or something.

What I want to know is if other US allies were on that list, such as Israel and the UK?

It does feel like whole categories of abuse essentially were ignored on Twitter, though. Obviously moderation was occurring, but it wasn’t weighted evenly and it tended to ignore a lot of obvious abuse. Of course it’s worse now unless you prefer abusive behavior being a constant for everyone.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I guess they justified it for the sake of driving traffic via engagement or something.

Yes and no.

Take the “Libs of TikTok” account for example. Twitter white-listed that account for manual review because think of the shit storm that would happen if their account was algorithmically suspended as a mistake.

I don’t think they would be concerned about the clicks more than being concerned at how awful it would look for Twitter if their account was suspended for something that should not have triggered a suspension.

I doubt that Twitter would want to add more fuel to the already raging dumpster fire where conservatives believe they are the constantly the victim of large lib-tech companies trying to silence them.

If anything, for the people like Koby who believe that “conservative viewpoints are being silenced”, this should prove to them that conservatives are handled with kid-gloves more so than any other political group, as well as given much more leeway.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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this should prove to them that conservatives are handled with kid-gloves more so than any other political group, as well as given much more leeway

Reminder: Before Donald Trump received his now-undone ban, an automated account on Twitter mirrored every one of his tweets verbatim. That mirroring account was suspended multiple times; Trump wasn’t suspended once.

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Anon E Mouse says:

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From what we’ve seen in the Twitter Files so far, it seems most heads of state and other high ranking politicians were on the list, regardless of whether they were allies or not. Examples include Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei calling for Israel’s genocide, and not getting moderated in any visible way. I can’t imagine that going over very well from just about anyone else.

Honestly I can’t really blame them. Content moderation gets even trickier when the possibility of international incidents is added to the mix. No moderator wants to be known as the one who sparked off a war.

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Toom1275 (profile) says:

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It makes little difference whether Matthew’s gaslighting takes one click for any human reader to debunk for themselves, or zero.

It boggles the mind why trolls like BDAC/chozen/Matthew act like they’re convincing anyone but themselves when they’re so blatantly lying what’s on the very page/thread/comment they’re posting on.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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It could be a matter of being used to communities/platforms where everyone already buys the garbage that they’re selling anyway so they’re unused to anyone having the audacity to not immediately believe them when they try to gaslight or even worse ask them to provide evidence for their claims.

That or they’re people with fetishes for being told what idiots they are/having a bunch of people laughing at them, which would be a weird fetish but to each their own I guess.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The more obvious reason is that their entire motivation is to bully, intimidate or otherwise engage in stochastic terrorism.

That is, their entire goal is to force BestNetTech to either shut down or run bullshit that conforms to the white supremacist worldview.

Unsurprising, considering that their leaders are basically treasonous assholes. They’re adopting authcap tactics.

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Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

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I feel like most of their ‘genius’ plans this is backfiring over time. The more absurd and persistent they get, the more people form a united front to tell them they’re foolish.

And frankly, it feels like they’re desperate and losing big time right now.

And people are finding ways to let them sit in their vile echo chambers and shout themselves hoarse so by the time they leave it’s just this inane fascist dribble we see here.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Again.

Government-directed censorship takes more forms than you might think.

RSD’s report on Singapore highlights quite a few of those if you really want to know how actual censorship is being done. And that’s just one example. There’s also everyrthing China does, reported by just about everyone.

Besides.

I’m not the one openly harassing Mike or the regulars. YOU ARE.

I’m not the one who thinks Jan 6 was not an insurrection. YOU DO.

I’m not the one demanding the place be shut down with the implied threat that this sort of harassment will continue. YOU ARE.

If the shoe fits…

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Toom1275 (profile) says:

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If the troll you were responding to weren’t obviously the subject of a permanent no-contact order filed by reality, they’d admit that my boilerplate response is offered only when the troll/bot I’m replying to cannot make a sane argument.

I’ll also note that no matter how stale my honest mockery may get, it’s not repetitive enough to trip the automated spam filter like Chozen/Hyman’s psychotic spittle-flinging does.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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nor anything of value. Why did you bother saying anything?

This is the perfect response to literally everything you say here.

You know what I say to the writers of blogs I don’t like? Nothing, because I don’t read their blogs if I don’t like them. I don’t obsessively half-read and then rage-comment on every article like a rejected misogynist raging at a woman who dodged a bullet by not entertaining my narcissistic negging advances.

But I suppose you do you. Your every comment attacking Mike is an admission of how pathetic you are.

Who’s the more foolish the fool, or the fool who rage-comments on his articles? Get a life or a hobby, anything healthier than raising your blood pressure one keyboard tippy tap at a time.

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Llama Identity Thief says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Seriously???

My dude, this is my first comment on this website, just because I need to point out how delirious, how utterly hilarious it is that you think your comments on this blog are going to change ANYONE’s mind. You have a better chance of convincing anyone that “the liberal media bias is real and enforced by the US Government” by writing that on a signboard and standing on the streetcorner with only that signboard on.

I am not angry at you, or sad for you, or bewildered by you. I pity you. I hope for your sake you can find a life more fulfilling than screaming on a stage with 10 people in the audience, all laughing at you, and thinking you’re “fighting through the lies and corruption.”

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Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

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Yeah no. I can’t say I always agree with Mike’s viewpoints and interpretations, but part of the reason I hang out on BestNetTech at all is the writers tend to be scrupulously honest here.

And Mike isn’t stupid, his takes on the course of the Twitter Musk chancery trial were excellent for that matter. You are making a fool out of yourself by making these claims, and I don’t know how you got on this train of thinking. It doesn’t necessarily matter because you’ve ridden the rails so far from the truth that you’re not even near enough to true to recognize what is or isn’t.

That’s something you need to fix, instead of living in a mucky conspiratorial mindset and mistaking muckraking sensationalism for information. Journalism has changed a great deal in the past two decades, and you need better media literacy than whatever withered thoughts you have that currently pass for it.

Mike thinks you can do better, or did. I’m skeptical; you project your irrationality constantly onto others by attempting to insult their intelligence.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Masnick is not being honest at all here. The other option is being ridiculously stupid, but dishonesty seems more likely.

There’s proof of very biased censorship, there’s proof of politically influenced censorship, and worst of all there’s proof of government directed censorship. And he….just refuses to admit it. Lies about it and pretends it’s something else. Either cuz he hates Musk or it makes him look bad, not sure it matters which.

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nasch (profile) says:

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There’s proof of very biased censorship, there’s proof of politically influenced censorship, and worst of all there’s proof of government directed censorship.

That same proof that keeps getting debunked right in front of your face over and over again, or something else?

Anonymous Coward says:

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There’s proof of very biased censorship

Towards your treasonous, insurrectionist FILTH.

there’s proof of politically influenced censorship,

Towards your treasonous, insurrectionist FILTH.

there’s proof of government directed censorship

Which doesn’t exist.

And he….just refuses to admit it. Lies about it and pretends it’s something else. Either cuz he hates Musk or it makes him look bad, not sure it matters which.

Can’t refuse to admit to evidence that clearly doesn’t exist, or points to not offending people that should be put behind bars, at least. (And no, this is still opinion, and is protected under 1A.)

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

These assholes’ sole purpose in life is to be adversarial. They got it in their heads that there’s some giant conspiracy against them that, despite all of their bluster, strength, masculinity, and guns (don’t forget the guns, they love their fucking guns) they’re unable to successfully defeat or even marginally make a dent in.

They’re strong and formidable, yet persecuted and sensitive.

He hates Mike so much that he has to keep coming back to tell him what a shitty blog this is. And somehow, that translates to a righteous cause, or at a minimum, a productive use of time. Because if he keeps saying Mike’s a liar, that will change the facts, at least that’s how it works in his head.

When you have a group that believes reality is optional, I’d say let natural selection handle it. It worked pretty well for the 1/6 folks sitting in jail confused why they didn’t get a pardon. Or the vet who ran the build the wall scam who didn’t get a pardon, while buddy Bannon did. Or the lawyers with the prestigious honor of being pariahs in the law community. Or ‘America’s Mayor’ being reduced to a farting idiot holding a press conference in front of a landscaping business, while his hair color dripped off the side of his head.

This fool is no different, and his legacy will be just like the rest of them. A bunch of idiots too stupid to get out of their own way, consumed by rage and victimhood. Immensely powerful yet powerless. A textbook example of Dunning-Krueger in the wild. A contradiction of sorts.

Synonymous Scaredycat (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Read what you just wrote back to yourself and reflect on how it also applies to most of your comments. Even when you’re making an argument, are you adding anything of value? Do you think anything is coming out of this conversation on your part other than you giving everyone here the impression you’re unintelligent and self-righteously angry for no reason.

You need to learn to be more patient and develop more critical reading skills, just like you need to stop looking for information that reinforces your biases and ignoring information that gives you the real picture instead of whatever dripfeed of conspiracy juice you’ve apparently been living off of for the past decade.

Again, get up from the computer or set down your phone or whatever. Drink some water, stretch, eat some good food, don’t forget to use the bathroom. Don’t waste your time flailing like this, it’s at best clownish and mostly it’s falling short of being even that amusing.

kDog says:

Missing context?

The seventh installment of the Twitter files seems to fill a spot missing in Mike Masnick’s Dec 7th piece about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Is this missing context?

https://www.bestnettech.com/2022/12/07/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-twitter-and-hunter-bidens-laptop/

https://www.wionews.com/technology/twitter-files-70-shows-fbi-pressured-to-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop-story-all-you-need-to-know-544882

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Mark says:

I worked as a web and then a db engineer at twitter

They absolute have shadowing and throttling mechanisms. I help code them under jack

If you can look at these releases and you don’t collusion with the fbi and the stifling of speech, then it is either partisan bias or a bias towards authority.

You claim other people don’t understand what they are looking at, but I would point out you aren’t an engineer, nor where in any of these meetings. I am and was

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nasch (profile) says:

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If you can look at these releases and you don’t collusion with the fbi and the stifling of speech

This story has nothing to do with either the FBI, or stifling speech. It’s about SOCOM, and trying to keep speech from being stifled. If you have evidence you can share that Twitter colluded with the FBI to stifle speech, and it’s something other than the FBI suggesting Twitter might want to look at some accounts, then share it. Otherwise it might as well be your girlfriend in Canada.

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nasch (profile) says:

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They explicitly told Twitter that they were free to do nothing about it, and then when Twitter did nothing about most of them, there were absolutely no consequences.

I know this will not be fruitful because it’s about the 500th time you’ve been told this exact thing and pretended you’ve never seen it, but I feel like it has to be done anyway.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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“Nice store here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it. Of course, you don’t have to pay us the protection money…..”

Tell me a 100 times, if you want, it doesn’t change anything. I know you WANT it to. I know you want to PRETEND it does, but it does not. It was government directed censorship.

What you are saying is just not how it works, practically and legally.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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“Nice store here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it. Of course, you don’t have to pay us the protection money…..”

OK genius, if there was an implicit threat from the FBI, what were the consequences for Twitter in ignoring 60% of the accounts that were flagged for review by the FBI?

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 'Do this!' '... nah.' 'Okay.'

Before even reaching the point of consequences or lack thereof they’d need to address the fact that Twitter had no problem ignoring the majority of those ‘threats’, something that really undermines them being called that as if the person you’re trying to coerce ignores you more often than not it’s either not a threat or you are really bad at threatening people.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I entirely buy Twitter had means of un-emphasizing people. It necessarily goes along with having means to boost people, something that’s pretty fundamental to social media. It isn’t how Twitter defined ‘shadowbanning’ so there were and are semantic games going on about that, but whatever.

I don’t buy the ‘collusion’ nonsense and I have no reason to believe you, personally, are anything other than another liar on the internet.

Anonymous Coward says:

How Musk chose to handle the TF, and a suggestion on how he could have handled it, if this was about anything other than using it to push his own version of facts.

When you have a large cache of documents that you feel is important for the public to understand. When considering how one might distribute these files. A rational person’s first thoughts would NOT be to hand them over to a select group of right wing bloggers & pod casters, whom have little to no experience in investigative journalism.

Ok 0.5 Points for giving access to someone at The Intercept But -2 points for choosing a reporter with some very recent failures under his belt. Not to mention, The Intercept, has lost credibility with 90% of its readers. Years ago The Intercept did some excelllent work. For awhile now it has been under new management.

A reasonable person may have looked to the ICIJ (International Consortium of Investigative Journalists).

They have the experience to analyse these types of papers and they are not shy about going where the documents take them, especially when it involves government or corporate dirty laundry or dirty deeds

Although Musk going to them seems extremely unlikely. If he himself has not been exposed by some of their previous investigations, certainly some of his wealthy pals have been.
ICIJ-International Consortium of Investigative Journalists

But hey, Musk is getting what he wanted (mostly), which is to make people he dislikes look bad, under the narritive he has been pushing. So with Alex Jones otherwise occupied, he hands it out to to what amounts to a few sympathetic Journalists (Who are unwilling and unable to truly investigate the files).

Musk also attempts to give his narrative some much needed legitimacy This is where The Intercept comes in and allows itself to be used.

Thus limited access is provieed to an underskilled journalist who may find other things but still not recognize their significance. At the end of the day his write up parot’s Musks version of reality.

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BestNetTech In-House FBI Apologist says:

re: My apologies!

This ” he may have (finally) legitimately found a real story of malfeasance in the Twitter files” could only be written by someone whose own platform is full of FBI apologists, and mods who censor-by-proxy.

All that garbage about Russian/Chinese trolls, and look! It was FBI trolls all along. Pathetic.

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