Finally! An Interesting Twitter Files That Appears To Reveal Sketchy Government Behavior
from the took-them-long-enough dept
We finally have an interesting edition of the Twitter files!
When the Twitter Files began, I actually expected something interesting to come out of them. All of the big tech companies have been unfortunately unwilling to be as transparent as they could be about how their content moderation practices work. Much of the transparency we’ve received has been either through whistleblowers leaking information (which is often misinterpreted by journalists) or through the companies partnering with academics, which often leads to rather dry analysis of what’s happening, and which maybe a dozen people read. There have been moments of openness, but the messy stuff gets hidden.
So I had hoped that when Elon took over and announced his plans to be transparent about what had happened in the past, we might actually learn some dirt. Because there’s always some dirt. The big question was what form that dirt might take, and how much of it was systemic rather than one-time errors and mistakes. But, until now, the Twitter Files have been worse than useless. They were presented by journalists who had neither the knowledge nor the experience to understand what they were looking at, combined with an apparent desire to present the narrative in a certain framing.
Because of that, I’ve written multiple posts walking through the “evidence” presented, and showing how Musk’s chosen reporters didn’t understand things and were misrepresenting reality. Given that most journalist know to put the important revelations up top, and that each new “release” in the Twitter files seemed more breathless, but less interesting, than the previous ones, I was basically expecting nothing at all of interest to come from the files. Indeed, that was a disappointment.
As Stanford’s Renee DiResta noted, this was a real missed opportunity. If the files had actually been handed over to people who understand this field, what was important, and what was banal everyday trust & safety work, the real stories could have been discussed.
The Twitter Files thus far are a missed opportunity. To settle scores with Twitter’s previous leaders, the platform’s new owner is pointing to niche examples of arguable excesses and missteps, possibly creating far more distrust in the process. And yet there is a real need for public understanding of how platform moderation works, and visibility into how enforcement matches up against policy. We can move toward genuine transparency—and, hopefully, toward a future in which people can see the same facts in similar ways.
So when the Intercept’s Lee Fang kicked off the 8th installment of the Twitter files, I was not expecting much at all. After all, Fang was one of the authors of the very recent garbage Intercept story that totally misunderstood the role of CISA in the government and (falsely) argued that the government demanded Twitter censor the Hunter Biden laptop story. The fact that the evidence from the Twitter files totally disproved his earlier story should at least result in Fang questioning his understanding of these things.
And yet… it appears that he may have (finally) legitimately found a real story of malfeasance in the Twitter files in his most recent installment. Like all the others, he initially posted his findings — where he admits he was granted access to Twitter’s internal systems via a Twitter-employed lawyer who would search for and access the documents he requested — on Twitter in a messy and hard to follow thread. He then posted a more complete story on The Intercept.
The story is still somewhat messy and confused, and it’s not entirely clear Fang even fully realizes what he found, but it does suggest serious malfeasance on the part of the government. It actually combines a few other stories we’ve covered recently. First, towards the end of the summer, Twitter and Meta announced that they had found and taken down a disinformation campaign running on their platforms — and all signs suggested the campaign was being run by the US government.
As was noted at the time, the propaganda campaign did not appear to be all that successful. Indeed, it was kind of pathetic. From the details, it sounded like someone in the US government had the dumb idea of “hey, let’s just create our own propaganda social media accounts to counter foreign propaganda accounts,” rather than embracing “hey, we’re the US government, we can just speak openly and transparently.” The overall failure of the campaign was… not surprising. And we were happy that Twitter and Meta killed the campaign (and now we’re hearing that the US government is doing an investigation into how this campaign came to be in the first place).
The second recent story we had was about Meta’s “Xcheck” program, which was initially revealed in the Facebook files as a special kind of “whitelist” for high profile accounts. Meta asked the Oversight Board to review the program, and just a few weeks ago the Oversight Board finally released its analysis and suggestions (after a year of researching the program). It turns out that it’s basically just like what we said when the program was first revealed: after a few too many “false positives” on high profile accounts became embarrassing (for example, then President Obama’s Facebook account was taken down because he recommended the book “Moby Dick” and there was an automated flag on the word “dick”), someone at Facebook instituted the Xcheck program to effectively whitelist high profile individuals so that flags on their account would need to be reviewed by a human before any action was taken.
As we discussed in our podcast about Xcheck, in many ways, Facebook was choosing to favor “false negatives” for high profile accounts over “false positives.” The end result, then, is that high profile accounts are effectively allowed to get away with more, and violate the rules with a larger lag for consequences, but they’re less likely to be suspended accidentally. Tradeoffs. The entire content moderation space is full of them.
Again as we noted when that story first came out, basically every social media platform has some form of this in action. It almost becomes necessary to deal with the scale and not accidentally ban your most high profile users. But, it comes with some serious risks and issues, which are also highlighted in the Oversight Board’s policy recommendations regarding Xcheck.
Thus, it’s not at all surprising that Twitter clearly has a similar whitelist feature. This was actually somewhat revealed in an earlier Twitter File when Bari Weiss, thinking she was revealing unfair treatment of the @LibsOfTikTok account, actually revealed it was on a similar Xcheck style whitelist that clearly showed a flag on the account saying DO NOT TAKE ACTION ON USER WITHOUT CONSULTING an executive team.

That’s all background that finally gets us to the Lee Fang story. It reveals that the US government apparently got some of its accounts onto this whitelist after they had been dinged earlier. The accounts, at the time, were properly labeled as being run by the US government. But here’s the nefarious bit: sometime after that, the accounts changed to no longer be transparent about the US government being behind them, but because they were on this whitelist it’s likely that they were able to get away with sketchy behavior with less review by Twitter, and it likely took longer to catch that they were engaged in a state-backed propaganda campaign.
As the article notes, in 2017, someone at the US government noticed that these accounts — which, again, at the time clearly said they were run by the US government — were somehow limited by Twitter:
On July 26, 2017, Nathaniel Kahler, at the time an official working with U.S. Central Command — also known as CENTCOM, a division of the Defense Department — emailed a Twitter representative with the company’s public policy team, with a request to approve the verification of one account and “whitelist” a list of Arab-language accounts “we use to amplify certain messages.”
“We’ve got some accounts that are not indexing on hashtags — perhaps they were flagged as bots,” wrote Kahler. “A few of these had built a real following and we hope to salvage.” Kahler added that he was happy to provide more paperwork from his office or SOCOM, the acronym for the U.S. Special Operations Command.

Now, it seems reasonable to question whether or not Twitter should have put them on a whitelist in the first place, but if they were properly marked, and not engaged in violative behavior, you can see how it happened. But Twitter absolutely should have had policies stating that if those accounts have their descriptions or names or whatever changed, the whitelist flag should automatically be removed, or at least sent up for a human review to make sure it was still appropriate. And that apparently did not happen.
As The Intercept report notes, Twitter at this time was under tremendous pressure from basically all corners about the fact that ISIS was an effective user of social media for recruitment and propaganda. So the company had been somewhat aggressive in trying to stamp that out. And it sounds like the US accounts got caught up in those efforts.
So there is a lot of interesting stuff revealed here: more details on the US government’s foreign social media propaganda campaigns, and more evidence of how Twitter’s “whitelist” program works and the fact that it did not appear to have very good controls (not that surprising, as almost no company’s similar tool has good controls, as we saw with the OSB’s analysis of Xcheck for Meta).
But… the spin that “Twitter aided the Pentagon in its covert online propaganda campaign,” is, yet again, kinda missing the important stuff here. Neither the Pentagon nor Twitter look good in this report, but in an ideal world it would lead to more openness (a la the OBS’s look into Xcheck) regarding how Twitter’s whitelist program works, as well as more revelations about how the DOD was able to run its foreign propaganda campaign, including how it changed Twitter accounts from being public about their affiliation to hiding it.
This is where it would be useful if a reporter who understood how all this worked was involved in the research and could ask questions of Twitter regarding how big the whitelist is (for Meta it reached about 6 million users), and what the process was for getting on it. What controls were there? Who could put people on the whitelist? Were there ever any attempts to review those who were on the whitelist to see if they abused their status? All of that would be interesting to know, and as Renee DiResta’s piece noted, would be the kinds of questions that actual experts would ask if Elon gave them access to these files, rather than… whoever he keeps giving them to.
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Yeah that tracks, this is what you would be upset about
Actual smoking gun evidence of the FBI requesting people being banned, you pretend that it doesn’t show that. (not pretend, you’re lying)
There was a few dozen direct FBI transplants working at twitter, you don’t care.
You claim to hate the FBI but you’re giving them all sorts of cover.
But the government wants to engage in foreign propaganda (or even internal..the government has free speech rights too) THAT’S what gets your attention. Reasonable people can disagree to what degree the fed should be doing psyops targeted at enemy countries, but at least it’s not a constitutional violation. Directing Twitter on who they should ban is.
The fact that Twitter was whitelisting at government is considerably LESS remarkable than the fact they were blacklisting at government direction (because the latter is unconstituional) but you want to pretend the latter didn’t happen. Yet it’s just the inverse of this.
But this is what gets you to perk up and stop shilling. You god damned idiot.
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“Actual smoking gun evidence of the FBI requesting people being banned, you pretend that it doesn’t show that”
Isn’t the article about them expressly demanding that someone not be banned?
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…it’s almost how I made that point, and how it’s the same thing just inverted.
READING, DO YOU DO IT?!?
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Do you?
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….yes. Which part do you beed explained to you?
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You could start with finding a single proven example of the FBI looking to censor users. Because, as I have already shown you, that has not yet been shown. Every time I point that out, you call me names and tell me to shut down my blog.
So go ahead, show me a single example of the FBI asking Twitter to censor people (and, no, handing over a list and saying “here are some accounts we think violate your terms, feel free to do what you what with them, including nothing” does not count).
If you can actually provide the evidence, that would prove you can read. Until you do, I have my doubts.
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They EMAILED a LIST.
You haven’t “shown” anything.
If a mobster says “you should shoot these guys”, it doesn’t really work to say in court “you honor, he didn’t say ‘shoot these guys’, he said ‘you should shoot these guys’. The judge will laugh, and then sentence everyone to life behind prison.
Assuming it’s not mere hyperbole, and from a federal agency it never is, there’s zero difference there. You KNOW THIS. Supposedly, you’re a lawyer. (So was Avenati). So that leaves the only option is that you’re lying, bold facely.
You have been handed a bloody knife as evidence, and because it proves you wrong, you want to pretend it’s not bloody and it’s not a knife. No, I don’t care how many times you “show” that it’s really a water pistol, it’s fucking not and you’re lying.
Re: Re: Re:5 I think instead of Matthew we should just probably call you bitch tits
Oh do CAPITALISE more RANDOM words. It totally adds to your argument and IN no way makes you LOOK like a CRAZY person.
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So, where’s tje implied threat, terrorist?
No, you’re not allowed to quote the Bantam Books case OR say yhat the FBI itself is a threat.
And while I hate to use a myth, but maybe, just maybe, you should not defend white supremacy if you’re afraid of the FBI that much, hmmmm?
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We have already discussed this, in great detail. Do you think that governments should not be able to make use of the same “report this” flag that everyone else can use? I can see an argument there, but the fact that Twitter rejected 60% of government demands to take down info sure throws a giant tub of cold water on the idea that it was coercive.
Why do you keep ignoring the facts Matthew?
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Except that’s not at all what happened here. Saying, “Here are some people we think might be breaking your rules; do whatever you want with them, if anything,” doesn’t even contain a suggestion to take any action at all, let alone a recommendation to take a specific action. Saying, “Here are some people you should shoot,” is a recommendation to take a specific action.
It is absolutely a defense to say that you only said, for example, “Here’s a list of guys your girlfriend is cheating on you with; do whatever you want with that information, if anything,” even if the other person goes on to shoot all of the people on that list.
Not to mention that there’s a massive difference between shooting someone and banning their account(s).
Again, the FBI never even said, “You should ban these people.” Also, your inability to detect nuance doesn’t mean there is no nuance.
To my knowledge, Mike is not and never has been a lawyer, nor has he ever claimed to be a lawyer. I have no idea where you got that from.
Or that you’re wrong. Or that he’s mistaken. Lawyers are capable of making mistakes, and Mike isn’t a lawyer.
That’s because closer inspection determined that the “blood” is just ketchup, and the knife is just a butter knife and so unlikely to be used as a murder weapon. Your inability to understand the distinction doesn’t change the reality of the situation.
Again, that you can’t tell the difference between a smoking gun and a water pistol doesn’t make it a gun.
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“Oh won’t someone rid me of this troublesome Tweeter.”
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Whoosh
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[Hallucinates facts contrary to evidence]
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Lying liar is master projectionist, yells at clouds.
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Hey Matthew, for once in your life, you should join the world of facts. You seem like a very deluded individual. I know, it’s tough. People lied to you and you were so gullible that you believed the lies.
But the fact remains NOTHING in the Twitter files shows what you claimed about the FBI. If they did I would have called it out. I don’t trust the FBI one bit, which should be evident from everything I’ve ever written about them.
But you decided to bet your identity on a lie. I’m sorry for you. I hope one day you come out of this delusion.
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They literally gave ban lists. What part do you bot get?
You’re not going to wish it away. You can’t (though man are you trying) just pretend the words don’t say what they clearly do. Claiming I’ve been misled by “someone” (you make no suggestion as to who) isn’t helpful, honestly makes you look a but silly.
You’re a partisan hack engaged in active gaslighting at this point. Get fucked.
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I could show link to you thousands upon thousands of blog posts to the contrary but
A. I don’t have the time, and
B. It’s not like you would listen anyway.
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Yeah man, I’ve read your blog for years. You started out a kinda lefty libertarian, and now you’re far left and VERY partisan. (I stopped as you became more nutty lefty and literally only came back when I heard a VERY dumb comment of yours quoted in some other blog. You’re saying some dumb shit and you need to know).
Maybe you’re just blinded by how much you hate Musk but in order to defend Old Twitter and the censorship Musk bought the company to tear down you’re just sucking the FBI’s cock. It’s sad, really.
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Who are you even talking to? This isn’t Samuel’s blog. You may really be dumber than I thought.
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I saw the blue shading and thought it was you. Feel smart now? You’re still lying. Or maybe really, really bad at law.
Re: Re: Re:5 Have any villages reported a missing idiot
Damn bro you’re so fucking stupid you didn’t realise there might be more than one person with a blue box. Now go call us some more names to soothe your busted ass ego.
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Maybe you need therapy. At firat, you were annoying, but now, you’re just sad, and I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you.
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HAHAHAHA, you’re so fucking dumb!
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The blue shading appears to be an indicator for those paying to be an Insider. Mike is far from the only one to get that treatment.
This is why you should check to see who actually wrote the post before making assumptions.
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That’s only in your whacked out partisan mind because of all the lies you’ve been told and how gullible you are.
Please point the the exact phrase that the FBI used that indicated they wanted accounts BANNED, not just reviewed, but where is their language that states explicitly the accounts MUST BE BANNED?
Since you can’t provide that info, you resort to childish name calling instead of admitting you are wrong.
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Literally, legally, “these accounts violated your TOS and you should review” and “you should ban these accounts” are the same thing. As they should be, cuz they’re saying the same thing. You can’t just “strongly suggest” an action and then pretend you weren’t telling them to do that. ESPECIALLY when you’re a government agency with enormous power.
This comes up all the time in courts and it never turns out well for those trying to create plausible deniability on their orders. This isn’t even that veiled.
You’re being dumb, on purpose.
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Cite the law. Cite the case.
“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
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ANY court case where a threat is made but the defendant is trying to pretend it’s not a threat? Many, many 1st amendment cases where the government doesn’t explicitly ban a speech, but puts an undue burden?
Your ignorance is not my lack of evidence, do your own googling dumbass.
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“do your own googling dumbass.“
Ain’t gonna do your homework for ya bro. You bring the accusations you bring the proof. Right now all you’ve brought is a hissy fit and a full nappy.
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There are cases around jawboning, but they do not say what you think they say. There needs to be something coercive in the action, because there are PLENTY of cases, where it was rejected that it was a 1st Amendment violation when there was no evidence of coercion.
See: https://casetext.com/case/rc-maxwell-co-v-borough-of-new-hope
And, in that case, I’d argue that the letter sent was WAY more coercive than what the FBI sent. Yet it was deemed not to violate the 1st Amendment.
Even in the cases where there was a 1st Amendment issue found, the conduct was much more coercive. In Bantam Books, the canonical case here, the Commission sent a letter telling the bookstore owner that they had declared the books obscene, and implying continuing to carry them would violate local obscenity laws. That’s the implied threat.
Nothing in the FBI emails suggest that any of these tweets violated the law or that Twitter would face legal consequences for refusing to take them down (and, again, Twitter regularly rejected such requests).
The issue, Matthew, is that things are not as simple as you seem to think they are, and some people here who are trying to educate you actually understand the nuances. Whereas all you have is the weird need to curse me out for being correct.
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It’s not “weird”.
It’s him trying to bully you into shutting down the blog.
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LOL, like that’s gonna work. Same effect as a dog pissing on a tree.
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Cost of borrowing will shut down this blog. Not anything I do or anyone else. The Mike Masnik’s of the world cannot function with a 7-9% prime rate. The free money will dry up. When the borrowing cost is low BigTech has no trouble throwing a few bucks to guys like Mike but once that cost rises they are no longer a good return on investment.
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Dude… you are the projection master… as I already pointed that out in this same comment section.
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“Literally, legally,”
Lets add both those word to the dictionary’s worth of words you do not understand the meaning of.
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They literally did not. I have explained this to you. Which part do you not get?
Dude. Everything you just said totally applies to you.
I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because otherwise it means you’re even dumber than I thought. I’m saying you’ve been misled because only TOTAL FUCKING IDIOTS are the ones claiming that there is proof of the FBI censoring people, when the actual evidence shows that’s wrong. So… either you have evidence that no one else has seen, in which case, show it. Or you’ve been taking in by those idiots who are LYING TO YOU.
I’m not a partisan anything, Matthew. I criticize both people of both parties. I’m someone with principles who goes where the facts lead me. Often times that leads me to criticizing Democrats. And often it leads me to criticizing Republicans.
I’m sorry you think being factual is being a “partisan hack.”
I’m all good my man.
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I’d add this; A lot of the timelines the Twitter files concern turn out to be under the Trump administration. So what Bennett claims would mean the FBI was being extra naughty while Trump was in power.
Something we libs tend to agree with. And yet he somehow fails to see why this isn’t the ‘gotcha’ he was looking for as it doesn’t really make his side look good.
I know it’s not wise to assume identity from rhetoric tells but I’m getting more convinced by the post that we’re addressing our very own old Baghdad Bob/out_of_the_blue/Jhon smith risen from the ashes to haunt us from his umpteenth self-imposed exile.
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handing over a list and saying “here are some accounts we think violate your terms, feel free to do what you what with them, including nothing” does not count).
Yes it counts. This whole blog is delusional cope. So pathetic. You’re just spinning some preposterous narrative because you know all the useful idiots will swallow it hook line and sinker. Trying to pretend that the fbi isn’t colluding with Twitter to censor users makes you a bad faith actor, and that’s everything wrong with our country right now.
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What’s wrong with the country is people like you that see conspiracies everywhere, who deny factual evidence even when you see it with your own eyes.
There’s a simple litmus test when judging if the government is actually colluding with a private actor to censor people, there’s always someone who will instantly jump on the chance to sue the government for infringing peoples rights. If that doesn’t happen you can be sure it’s just a big nothingburger.
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“because you know all the useful idiots will”
Its only like 5 people at this point. It’s amazing BigTech will throw any money Mike’s way anymore.
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And off we go down the conspiracy pipeline. Say hi to Soros at the FEMA Deathcamp bro.
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Again, you seem incapable of counting.
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Hello, Mr. projectionist!
Hows about coughing up some evidence of that collusion, then?
Better yet, if it’s as obvious as you’re implying, why haven’t you or any other of the thousands of people screaming about this sued the government or the FBI yet? It should be an easy win if it’s so clear.
Go on, put your money where your mouth is.
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I’m sorry that I live in a world of facts and evidence rather than fantasyland like you do.
I understand the law around this issue. And courts have regularly found that if a government sends messages like this to a private entity, without any coercive elements, it is not a violation of the 1st Amendment.
There remains zero evidence of the FBI seeking to work with Twitter to “censor” people. If there was, we’d be screaming about it, just like we’ve spent decades calling out other bullshit from the FBI, including their actual collusion to spy on people with AT&T.
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Re: Re: Re:4 calling bullshit
You are 100% a fan of censorship-by-proxy, and I have dealt with your in-house anonymous asshole brigades for years on that topic.
Re:”There remains zero evidence of the FBI seeking to work with Twitter to “censor” people. If there was, we’d be screaming about it”
ATEOD, you et al. are huge FBI fans, as long as they favor your political bent–all of that bullshit about how Twitter/platforms don’t shadow ban conservatives is just that–total bullshit. Hot air.
Partisan schmucks have really left the US in the shitter, running cover here for FBI shadow-censorship, and monitoring of political speech–no better than China in any substantive way.
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Do tell us then, where exactly is the threat, implied or otherwise?
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[citation needed]
Which is why we’ve criticized the FBI so much when acting against conservatives in the past.
Also, that doesn’t actually refute the claim you say you’re refuting.
[citation needed]
You clearly know nothing about China. Also, again, there is no evidence of any coercion by the FBI, so no shadow-censorship in any meaningful way.
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Thanks for your input sperger. Hee–let me say that in the colloquial: 去操你媽媽
Then, get back to me shitbag. And don’t forget to make my point for me about “censorship-by-proxy!”>>>>>>>>>>
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You are the in the same group of spergberger assholes who consistently demanded proof that Twitter had in-house FBI trolls, which I stated many times over the last decade here.
No evidence of coercion? Who other than you is making that argument? I merely stated–for a decade–that platforms are infiltrated with FBI/DHS/CIA/ Mossad trolls.
So, your args are typical spergtwink stuff, re: no evidence of any coercion by the FBI Their mere presence there-and their PSYOP’s waged on speakers is enough “threat” for me.
Proof, proof, proof! Never enough proof for spergbergers.
And BTW, you are on the list, like that midget Paul Talbot and a few other spergterrorists here–dossier’s about online bullies aren’t just for FBI in-house trolls, dontchaknow. There are lots of agencies that will target you with the flimsiest pretexts.
Re: Re: Re:4 BestNetTech are FBI allies in the police state mechanism
You are 100% a fan of censorship-by-proxy, and I have dealt with your in-house anonymous asshole brigades for years on that topic.
Re:”There remains zero evidence of the FBI seeking to work with Twitter to “censor” people. If there was, we’d be screaming about it”
ATEOD, you et al. are huge FBI fans, as long as they favor your political bent–all of that bullshit about how Twitter/platforms don’t shadow ban conservatives is just that–total bullshit. Hot air.
Partisan schmucks have really left the US in the shitter, running cover here for FBI shadow-censorship, and monitoring of political speech–no better than China in any substantive way.
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Everything RG just said. The FBI gave ban lists. You can’t “explain” that to be untrue, because it IS true. And your refusal to admit it is thoroughly discrediting.
And you are partisan af, holy cow.
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That you refuse to accept the explanation for why you’re wrong doesn’t make you right.
Right, that’s why he constantly berates the FBI, the politicians and the government for all the dumb shit they do. He obviously favours one side!
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So where is the coercion, implied or otherwise, terrorist?
No, dont use your fear of the FBI as the implied threat, or that it’s the FTC or some other government entity that will deliver the final blow. The American government is too incompetent to do that sort of coordination.
And if you’re so scared of the FBI that much, unlike US in the REAL WORLD, then maybe, just maybe, don’t support white supremacists and insurrectionists?
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re: “so scared of the FBI that much, unlike US in the REAL WORLD”
…Aaaaaand that’s how democracies die. Conflating fear with rightful respect and righteous indignation over agencies that violate due process.
Posting as a coward is ALWAYS appropriate for schismogenetic shitbags lie you.
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Again, they aren’t ban lists. You can call them that as much as you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t ban lists.
You have failed to demonstrate the truth of your claim, and you have the burden of proof here. Therefore, the presumption is to not take the claim as true.
I refuse to admit anything that hasn’t been demonstrated to be true. That you failed to demonstrate your claim is not our fault.
That you refuse to accept an explanation as to why you’re wrong is not our fault.
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“Get fucked.”
And yet here you are, getting your ass handed to you…
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The part where they are “ban lists” rather than “suspicious person lists”. Or rather, you don’t seem to understand the difference between the two.
The words don’t “clearly” say what you think they’re saying. You’re reading things into it that simply aren’t there.
I think it’s pretty obvious that the “who” would be Elon Musk and/or his cronies.
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“You god damned idiot.”
On a scale of 1 to petulant twat. Just how sour are those grapes?
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I’d say somewhere on the scale between “guy who breaks his own monitor because he’s angry at someone else” and “guy who shoves a dildo up his own ass to own the libs.”
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The fact that you think that Twitter taking action on ~40% of potential TOS violations reported by a government agency is proof of anything makes me wonder exactly what kind of work you do where 40% compliance is acceptable.
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It’s a strange demand/threat that explicitly includes the option to ignore it and is deemed so coercive that the ‘victim’ does just that over half the time.
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It’s not pretend; that’s just the facts of the matter.
I’m unaware of this, but if so, no, I don’t care.
When the FBI actually does something wrong or sketchy, BestNetTech has had no problems calling them out.
Because it’s actually sketchy, unlike the other stuff you mention.
Again, there is no evidence that the FBI directed Twitter on who they should ban, so there is no constitutional violation.
Because there is still no evidence that the latter happened. You saying that it did over and over again isn’t convincing. Pointing to the existing Twitter Files won’t cut it, either, as they don’t actually support your claim.
Of course this was under the Trump administration
Just goes to show, if you give bad actors an inch, they take the entire highway.
It also goes to show how craven tech companies as a whole, along with the MSM, were towards the tfg’s entire criminal exercise.
Ironically Twitter users can be the checks and balances the company itself needs over this kind of thing…but not under the current owner. I gather that’s a feature not a bug with Musky boy.
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it’s the same FBI, genius. Presidency doesn’t really control the FBI nor exert much influence over it’s makeup, as history has shown.
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Random very tangential question since you seem to be engaging with trouble with other conversations here, but do you like baking?
I’m not very good at it, but fresh bread is worth the effort, as are cookies. Since it’s the holiday season, I have to ask: do you like sugar cookies? I think they’re better soft, but it seems like all you can find in the store are chalky ones.
At least there’s petit fours, right?
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Myself, I am partial to Springerle. Anise flavor, keep forever. But many of my friends-and-relatives either don’t like anise, or have dentures.
Most likely, my next batch of Springerle will be for myself alone.
And yes, I am happy to derail a drama thread, and split off a cookie thread, even here on BestNetTech. I cook, and I am tired of hiding it!
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Those look so cool and the texture looks delightful for a harder cookie tbh. Is it flaky at all? Not an anise fan myself, sadly.
And what me, derail?
Cookies, though…
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I’d bake more if I could get an air fryer.
Gotta getbpermission for that, and my oven’s busted…
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Hopefully you can, air fryers are really great for small baking projects. Cornbread is super easy for something really simple, too.
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Amaretti is a favorite this time of year. When you’re busy with everything else but still want to have something to feed the cookie craving, it doesn’t get much simpler than these.
And I agree about homemade bread. I always think about the “effort” involved, but can’t wrap my head around the fact that the lion’s share is just waiting.
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I used to make bread semi-monthly but a lack of space here. I had a book with some great easy recipes, though. I’m going to need to get some more together, I think. I want to get to the level where I can make bagels someday, though.
I’m going to have to try making Amaretti when I can, I love almond and those look really soft and like you say, easy.
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After I was looking at Amaretti recipes for a bit, it reminded me of honey cookies (which I’d totally forgotten about). I’m going to have to make some of those too.
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The honey balls? Yeah, those are always a crowd pleaser. And they’re nothing short of delicious.
I’m also going to bring up ricotta cookies and those leaf-shaped ones that are green or fuscia on top and chocolate on the bottom. Never made the latter, but when I start thinking about the rest of these, those immediately invade the conversation.
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Hmm, honey balls? Is that the same thing? What I’m thinking of is fairly doughy and simple to the point of being bland?
Those green cookies? The closest thing I can think of is Cassatella di sant’Agata that’s also ricotta, though you said a different cookie so that’d be butter cookies I think, look for ‘Italian butter cookie’ or just ‘green leaf butter cookies’. Pretty sure the green is meant to be pistachio and the pink/red is meant to be strawberry.
Good stuff.
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I love cookies! And, honestly, I prefer ones with frosting or icing.
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Like the sugar cookies with icing that has almond extract in it? Yummy.
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Trump was also the one trying to turn Voice of America from propaganga into disinformation.
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Re: Kennedy's CIA
It was Kennedy’s CIA too.
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And what, pray tell, do you think the Kennedy CIA did?
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Not allowed to be mentioned:
MKULTRA
All those crazy Castro assassination plots
Bay of Pigs bullshit
We already know about those 3.
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Is there a point to that?
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It’s more aimed at the jerk before you.
Plus, we know enough about those 3 incidents to criticize the CIA for.
We know the CIA hates Americans, in any case, since MKULTRA did use American citizens for tests on LSD.
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Ah. I was curious since the implication of the original post was that Kennedy’s CIA acted against Kennedy’s interests like how some people are claiming Trump’s FBI were acting against Trump’s interests, and I couldn’t think of any instances of that.
And yet somehow people will scream that this means Libs of Tiktok was hampered in some way by the evil evil left.
If Twitter had just admitted the program actually existed rather than trying to keep it hidden it wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. Instead they decided that the best way to protect the secret was to lie early & lie often ignoring how that was damaging how people saw them.
Its sorta sad that there are probably no records of how the covert bots managed to trip whatever moderation lead to them being shadowbanned. If they were just pushing peace love & puppies, it shouldn’t have triggered anything… but then we also know Twitters policies depended on who saw the thing as if it was a venial sin or mortal.
On a side note, I wish someone would run my account and show the notes. I think it would be fun to see who I really really pissed off.
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Put The Wolf In Charge of the Chicken Coop
The reporters who you think are qualified are the same ones who have spiked true stories to assist the government propagandists. If we followed your advice, none of this would have seen the light of day.
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Pssst, Masnick is one of those working to spike the story, for the most part. It would be funny if it wasn’t so galling.
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Hey you should ask Chosen out. You can exchange conspiracy theories for Christmas.
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[citation needed]
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Koby, you, like Matthew, have been lied to. And now you base your identity on that lie. I’m sorry, but what you wrote above is bullshit.
Grow up and join the land of facts.
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“Lied to” by who, you fucking moron? The words are right there, we can all read.
Your “explaining” how government directions to censor (same as government directions to whitelist, but only one got your attention) are somehow not that don’t change what the words say. (Or indeed the legal definition precedents)
Should we believe you, or our fucking eyes?
This “lied to” thing you came up with actually makes you seem dumber, which is really saying something.
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Son, I’ll say it once, in case nobody told you.
You engaged in personal insults. You raised your voice. You forfeit any argument, and any dregs of my attention. I will flag such messages regardless of their content.
If you want to get your word out, to make your point, don’t do that.
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Hey, fucking moron. My correctly labeling you concedes no argument.
If you’d been paying attention you’d realize Masnick is insulting af. Swearing is better, it’s more straightforward.
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Poor whittle snowflake. Your feels are all hurt now.
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The truth is insulting for delusional children.
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Insulting to your intelligence, perhaps, but that’s the way it goes when your IQ is about 40.
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Well, fuck your fee-fees, *terrorist**.
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Not for nothing, dude, but calling everyone you don’t agree with a “terorrist” is no better than an asshole like Hyman referring to anyone even remotely in favor of queer rights as a “woke gender ideologist” or Chozen referring to content moderation as “censorship”. And like their bullshit, yours is getting old and worn out.
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And it’s reserved especially for the usual suspects.
I don’t call you a terrorist, or Mike, or the actual conservative voices who try to engage in good faith.
Again, I was an old-school troll and I hate being lumped with the fucking insurrectionists and actual threats to American society. I don’t come here hurling threats, despite running my mouth off at times.
And I don’t think anyone should be merciful to these people.
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Then you don’t think people should be merciful to you. What you do to others says what you’re okay with them doing to you. So act accordingly. Oh, and while the wacko trolls here clog up threads and spout nonsense, to my knowledge they’ve never engaged in actual violence, which makes the term “terrorist” inaccurate as well as inappropriate.
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… would say nobody literate, ever.
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Yeah, I expect people to physically fly or find transportation to wherever I reside, and murder me in cold blood.
I am also prepared to use violence to defend myself in whatever form it takes.
I assume the worst of humanity everyday, you should too. And don’t call it a sad way to live, Jan 6 happened. The only way to ensure freedom is through eternal vigilance. Not the kind of paranoid, bigoted vigilance the white supremacists have, but one based on evidence and rational thinking.
Beaides, you might want to check what the FBI says about white supremacists and the people who support such views. It’d shock you. It’s also partly why they’ve trained agent provocateurs like Hal Turner and, uh, have you read a couple of BestNetTech’s coverage on the FBI?
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By Musk. By Taibbi. By Shellenberger.
And yes, the words are right there, and NONE OF THEM SHOW A SINGLE EXAMPLE of the FBI telling Twitter to censor people.
You should always believe your eyes, but somehow, and I do not understand how, your eyes seem to see something THAT DOES NOT EXIST. It’s fucking weird, dude.
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The is a
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Back your fucking claims, terrorist.
Because you sure as fuck know NOTHING about how a country CENSORS.
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Should we believe you, or our fucking eyes?
Believe your fucking eyes.
With that out of the way, remind yourself of who was running the administration during 2017. Because like it or not, it was TFG, the guy who hires all the best people, who is responsible for who was running the FBI, no?
Now with the management structure defined, why don’t you take that partisan horseshit you’ve been blabbering about, fold it up neatly, and shove it up your ass. Because that’s what you people do. Fuck things up yourselves, then blame everyone else for it.
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Elon Musk et al, perhaps.
Can you? Because they don’t say what you claim they say.
They aren’t government directions to censor, or at least you have provided no evidence to support a claim that they are. In and of themselves, they aren’t coercive, and they don’t suggest Twitter do anything at all, let alone banning, specifically. There is no evidence outside of that that would make it coercive or censorship. The legal precedents don’t support your claims to the contrary.
Believe your eyes. However, you seem to be misinterpreting what you’re seeing.
It’s giving you the benefit of the doubt by not assuming you’re an idiot or a liar.
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Koby, remember that time you thought Facebook could get a lawsuit dismissed using §230 when the lawsuit was over Facebook’s own speech?
Considering how fundamentally wrong you were to make that assertion, why should anybody take anything you say as nothing more than a crazed MAGA that has consumed too much kool aid?
I mean seriously, how could somebody be so wrong about what §230 does and still try to come here and tell us we are wrong?
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Just adding this here for prosperity (it’s hidden so you will need to click to show it link):
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Welcome to the Koby-zone where up is down, down is fake, right is extra-right, truth is optional and the horizon is filled with orange clouds of delusions where lead-paint is a snack served by Tucker Carlson.
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…and where One Simple Question can cause a certain someone to run away while pissing himself in fear.
Or so I’ve heard.
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Hey remember when we feared you so much we make that song about what a coward you are?
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Don’t make me make up another song about you, little man.
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Now that’s coercion!
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This is the first installment that was a big doozy but...
I appreciate that you’re able to recognize this story for how big it is, but the fact that you don’t use that occasion to go back on the rest of the files and ask yourself if you weren’t a tiny bit biased in how you covered them is pretty sad.
Most of this has been typical leftist infested company acts like leftists would amongst leftists.
They clearly targeted one side of the political spectrum more both through disparate enforcing, and through politically biased terms of services. They made rules as they went in some cases just because they hated so or so person. They had white and black lists of people depending on their own feelings, not policy, and now we learn, based on doing favours to a government agency they pretended to be neutral to. They were provably lax on some of the worst content you could find on twitter( and likely still can to some extent ) whilst overworking on things they naturally didn’t like. They gave checkmarks based on favours, connections and money, rather than “noteriety”.
But yes yes, all the other twitter files were nothing but bs by people who understand nothing about nothing, and you’re the one special snowflake with your herd of simps who’s just so well informed. So well informed that the fbi lying about the origins of the laptop to influence twitter’s actions is just fine and there was no coercion ever because the professional intel agents weren’t stupid enough to write an email saying “take this down or else”.
I’m glad you’re not just blind tho. You just might be a useful read every now and then.
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“ Most of this has been typical leftist infested company acts like leftists would amongst leftists.”
You useful idiots need a thesaurus.
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Don’t they know it’s rather dangerous to one’s entire vocabulary in a single sentence?
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Here’s an idea that might blow your mind. The correct way of using evidence is to look at it and come to a conclusion supported by the evidence, and not as you do, come to a conclusion, and the try to force all the evidence to support that conclusion.
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Let us know when you have evidence for that claim.
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Because they’re completely unrelated. That one instance of something shady occurred doesn’t mean that every conspiracy theory is more likely to be true.
How so?
[citation needed]
Do you have any specific examples of this? Nothing I can see in the Twitter ToS appears politically biased to me.
Plus, even if true, that would have nothing at all to do with the accusations made relating to the Twitter Files.
I don’t know of any blacklists, but the whitelists had nothing to do with personal feelings; they were based on whether they were a celebrity or a significant government figure.
That’s not supported by the evidence. Twitter only banned 40% of the accounts indicated by the FBI, and the FBI made no recommendations as to what to do with the accounts listed. That’s incredibly weak evidence of Twitter doing favors for the FBI.
They were most lax regarding conservative and right-leaning figures, which is the exact opposite of what you’re alleging.
The checkmarks were certainly problematic, but I don’t know what they could have done differently without creating more issues.
No one is alleging that any of the Twitter Files are BS; they just don’t say what some people (including Elon Musk) claims they are saying, and they don’t demonstrate either liberal bias on Twitter’s part or infringement on the 1A (based on current 1A case law). As far as I can tell, the files are genuine, but they don’t have the implications being claimed.
Again, the files don’t support that accusation.
Nor anything similar to that. Nor did Twitter interpret them as orders. Nor were there any government-imposed consequences for Twitter failing to act on 60% of them. Nor is there any evidence of Twitter getting any benefits from the government for acting on the other 40%. Basically, there is nothing to indicate coercion here at all.
OMFG that whitelist existing at all confirms what I’ve been saying about Twitter erring on the side of letting people get away with violations that are abusive. I guess they justified it for the sake of driving traffic via engagement or something.
What I want to know is if other US allies were on that list, such as Israel and the UK?
It does feel like whole categories of abuse essentially were ignored on Twitter, though. Obviously moderation was occurring, but it wasn’t weighted evenly and it tended to ignore a lot of obvious abuse. Of course it’s worse now unless you prefer abusive behavior being a constant for everyone.
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Yes and no.
Take the “Libs of TikTok” account for example. Twitter white-listed that account for manual review because think of the shit storm that would happen if their account was algorithmically suspended as a mistake.
I don’t think they would be concerned about the clicks more than being concerned at how awful it would look for Twitter if their account was suspended for something that should not have triggered a suspension.
I doubt that Twitter would want to add more fuel to the already raging dumpster fire where conservatives believe they are the constantly the victim of large lib-tech companies trying to silence them.
If anything, for the people like Koby who believe that “conservative viewpoints are being silenced”, this should prove to them that conservatives are handled with kid-gloves more so than any other political group, as well as given much more leeway.
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Reminder: Before Donald Trump received his now-undone ban, an automated account on Twitter mirrored every one of his tweets verbatim. That mirroring account was suspended multiple times; Trump wasn’t suspended once.
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Cuz it was a bot.
TDS isn’t a personality
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Or because Twitter bent over backwards to not get accused of hating right-wingers.
Neither is whatever is wrong with you.
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From what we’ve seen in the Twitter Files so far, it seems most heads of state and other high ranking politicians were on the list, regardless of whether they were allies or not. Examples include Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei calling for Israel’s genocide, and not getting moderated in any visible way. I can’t imagine that going over very well from just about anyone else.
Honestly I can’t really blame them. Content moderation gets even trickier when the possibility of international incidents is added to the mix. No moderator wants to be known as the one who sparked off a war.
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It does not, even vaguely, confirm that. I have nonidea why you would think it would.
It does indicate twitter had favorites and enemies, very often at government direction.
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… said nobody proven capable of critical reading, ever.
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Not an argument, nor anything of value. Why did you bother saying anything?
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Look through Toom1275’s posting history.
When they’re unable to make a sane refutation, he/she/it posts the same inane response.
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Toom refuses to put in any more effort refuting you mental midgets than you do finding evidence to support your assertions.
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Apparently he doesn’t say anything of value at all.
Re: Re: Re:5 You really might just be the dumbest motherfucker here
Nice own goal dipshit.
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It makes little difference whether Matthew’s gaslighting takes one click for any human reader to debunk for themselves, or zero.
It boggles the mind why trolls like BDAC/chozen/Matthew act like they’re convincing anyone but themselves when they’re so blatantly lying what’s on the very page/thread/comment they’re posting on.
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It could be a matter of being used to communities/platforms where everyone already buys the garbage that they’re selling anyway so they’re unused to anyone having the audacity to not immediately believe them when they try to gaslight or even worse ask them to provide evidence for their claims.
That or they’re people with fetishes for being told what idiots they are/having a bunch of people laughing at them, which would be a weird fetish but to each their own I guess.
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The more obvious reason is that their entire motivation is to bully, intimidate or otherwise engage in stochastic terrorism.
That is, their entire goal is to force BestNetTech to either shut down or run bullshit that conforms to the white supremacist worldview.
Unsurprising, considering that their leaders are basically treasonous assholes. They’re adopting authcap tactics.
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I feel like most of their ‘genius’ plans this is backfiring over time. The more absurd and persistent they get, the more people form a united front to tell them they’re foolish.
And frankly, it feels like they’re desperate and losing big time right now.
And people are finding ways to let them sit in their vile echo chambers and shout themselves hoarse so by the time they leave it’s just this inane fascist dribble we see here.
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“Terrorist”, “White Supremacist”
What do either of those things have to do with ANYTHING?
This is an issue of censorship, and much worse, government directed censorship.
So you’re a fascist then, wholly in support of government use of force?
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If the jackboot fits bro.
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Go sue the government, then. If the truth is as obvious as you keep claiming, it should be an easy win.
But I’m betting you won’t be doing that.
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Again.
Government-directed censorship takes more forms than you might think.
RSD’s report on Singapore highlights quite a few of those if you really want to know how actual censorship is being done. And that’s just one example. There’s also everyrthing China does, reported by just about everyone.
Besides.
I’m not the one openly harassing Mike or the regulars. YOU ARE.
I’m not the one who thinks Jan 6 was not an insurrection. YOU DO.
I’m not the one demanding the place be shut down with the implied threat that this sort of harassment will continue. YOU ARE.
If the shoe fits…
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If the troll you were responding to weren’t obviously the subject of a permanent no-contact order filed by reality, they’d admit that my boilerplate response is offered only when the troll/bot I’m replying to cannot make a sane argument.
I’ll also note that no matter how stale my honest mockery may get, it’s not repetitive enough to trip the automated spam filter like Chozen/Hyman’s psychotic spittle-flinging does.
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This is the perfect response to literally everything you say here.
You know what I say to the writers of blogs I don’t like? Nothing, because I don’t read their blogs if I don’t like them. I don’t obsessively half-read and then rage-comment on every article like a rejected misogynist raging at a woman who dodged a bullet by not entertaining my narcissistic negging advances.
But I suppose you do you. Your every comment attacking Mike is an admission of how pathetic you are.
Who’s the more foolish the fool, or the fool who rage-comments on his articles? Get a life or a hobby, anything healthier than raising your blood pressure one keyboard tippy tap at a time.
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He’s lying and all the readers need to know until he stops posting on the subject.
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“He’s lying and all the readers need to know until he stops posting on the subject.”
All the readers are laughing at you.
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If Mike is lying, present actual evidence, terrorist.
Oh, and lay off on the harassment. Unless that is your intended action all along.
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no, it’s basically 3 of you, maybe, including the guy calling everyone “terrorist” for some reason.
Re: Re: Re:6 You really are the stupidest turd in the punch bowl
And yet here you are with the three of us.
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Apparently, counting isn’t your strongsuit. It a lot more than that, even if I (wrongly) count all the ACs as one reader.
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His only strong suit is being reliably incorrect, if you can call that a strong suit. Which seems dubious, even being generous.
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I believe you’re all wrong, his strong suit is a onesie.
Re: Re: Re:9
You might be right, but it’s possibly a pair of extra-absorbent diapers.
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How many fingers am I holding up? What’s your birthday? Who’s the president? What year is it?
You are not okay.
Re: Re: Re:4 Seriously???
My dude, this is my first comment on this website, just because I need to point out how delirious, how utterly hilarious it is that you think your comments on this blog are going to change ANYONE’s mind. You have a better chance of convincing anyone that “the liberal media bias is real and enforced by the US Government” by writing that on a signboard and standing on the streetcorner with only that signboard on.
I am not angry at you, or sad for you, or bewildered by you. I pity you. I hope for your sake you can find a life more fulfilling than screaming on a stage with 10 people in the audience, all laughing at you, and thinking you’re “fighting through the lies and corruption.”
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Yeah no. I can’t say I always agree with Mike’s viewpoints and interpretations, but part of the reason I hang out on BestNetTech at all is the writers tend to be scrupulously honest here.
And Mike isn’t stupid, his takes on the course of the Twitter Musk chancery trial were excellent for that matter. You are making a fool out of yourself by making these claims, and I don’t know how you got on this train of thinking. It doesn’t necessarily matter because you’ve ridden the rails so far from the truth that you’re not even near enough to true to recognize what is or isn’t.
That’s something you need to fix, instead of living in a mucky conspiratorial mindset and mistaking muckraking sensationalism for information. Journalism has changed a great deal in the past two decades, and you need better media literacy than whatever withered thoughts you have that currently pass for it.
Mike thinks you can do better, or did. I’m skeptical; you project your irrationality constantly onto others by attempting to insult their intelligence.
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Masnick is not being honest at all here. The other option is being ridiculously stupid, but dishonesty seems more likely.
There’s proof of very biased censorship, there’s proof of politically influenced censorship, and worst of all there’s proof of government directed censorship. And he….just refuses to admit it. Lies about it and pretends it’s something else. Either cuz he hates Musk or it makes him look bad, not sure it matters which.
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That same proof that keeps getting debunked right in front of your face over and over again, or something else?
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Apparently, you’re unfamiliar with Hanlon’s Razor.
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Towards your treasonous, insurrectionist FILTH.
Towards your treasonous, insurrectionist FILTH.
Which doesn’t exist.
Can’t refuse to admit to evidence that clearly doesn’t exist, or points to not offending people that should be put behind bars, at least. (And no, this is still opinion, and is protected under 1A.)
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These assholes’ sole purpose in life is to be adversarial. They got it in their heads that there’s some giant conspiracy against them that, despite all of their bluster, strength, masculinity, and guns (don’t forget the guns, they love their fucking guns) they’re unable to successfully defeat or even marginally make a dent in.
They’re strong and formidable, yet persecuted and sensitive.
He hates Mike so much that he has to keep coming back to tell him what a shitty blog this is. And somehow, that translates to a righteous cause, or at a minimum, a productive use of time. Because if he keeps saying Mike’s a liar, that will change the facts, at least that’s how it works in his head.
When you have a group that believes reality is optional, I’d say let natural selection handle it. It worked pretty well for the 1/6 folks sitting in jail confused why they didn’t get a pardon. Or the vet who ran the build the wall scam who didn’t get a pardon, while buddy Bannon did. Or the lawyers with the prestigious honor of being pariahs in the law community. Or ‘America’s Mayor’ being reduced to a farting idiot holding a press conference in front of a landscaping business, while his hair color dripped off the side of his head.
This fool is no different, and his legacy will be just like the rest of them. A bunch of idiots too stupid to get out of their own way, consumed by rage and victimhood. Immensely powerful yet powerless. A textbook example of Dunning-Krueger in the wild. A contradiction of sorts.
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This would all change if only we did what was necessary and write straight people out of existence. Then we wouldn’t have to put up with their insecurities making things worse for everyone else.
They can either learn to eat a dick or get out of the way of progress.
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Read what you just wrote back to yourself and reflect on how it also applies to most of your comments. Even when you’re making an argument, are you adding anything of value? Do you think anything is coming out of this conversation on your part other than you giving everyone here the impression you’re unintelligent and self-righteously angry for no reason.
You need to learn to be more patient and develop more critical reading skills, just like you need to stop looking for information that reinforces your biases and ignoring information that gives you the real picture instead of whatever dripfeed of conspiracy juice you’ve apparently been living off of for the past decade.
Again, get up from the computer or set down your phone or whatever. Drink some water, stretch, eat some good food, don’t forget to use the bathroom. Don’t waste your time flailing like this, it’s at best clownish and mostly it’s falling short of being even that amusing.
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You seem to have no idea in general, maybe it you took a step back and tried to slow down so you can be rational about things you’d have an easier time with basic comprehension and reasoning.\
Drink some water, eat if you need to, take some deep breathes, don’t forget to use the restroom.
propaganda? No way!
I find it odd that anyone could be surprised that the US government engages in propaganda. This is not new!
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It’s less the propaganda spewing and more the audacity to ask for protections so that they can continue to run psyops and whatnot.
Or maybe, just maybe, they should, I dunno, let the CIA do their actual jobs for once? I mean, psyops and clandestine bullshit is inder the CIA purview, supposedly…
Missing context?
The seventh installment of the Twitter files seems to fill a spot missing in Mike Masnick’s Dec 7th piece about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Is this missing context?
https://www.bestnettech.com/2022/12/07/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-twitter-and-hunter-bidens-laptop/
https://www.wionews.com/technology/twitter-files-70-shows-fbi-pressured-to-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop-story-all-you-need-to-know-544882
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Nah. That doesn’t add anything. That takes a few snippets out of context, to suggest something that isn’t there. The FBI was concerned, reasonably so, that foreign influence campaigns would target hot button stories. That’s it.
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I worked as a web and then a db engineer at twitter
They absolute have shadowing and throttling mechanisms. I help code them under jack
If you can look at these releases and you don’t collusion with the fbi and the stifling of speech, then it is either partisan bias or a bias towards authority.
You claim other people don’t understand what they are looking at, but I would point out you aren’t an engineer, nor where in any of these meetings. I am and was
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So we are going to take your word on this without a single shred of proof?
I don’t think so, because you are just another internet rando who make assertions without providing any evidence whatsoever. You could be just another Russian troll for all we know.
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I was the head of engineering at Twitter and I can tell you that everything you said is bull shit.
See how easy it is to make shit up online?
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can confirm, I was the web
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Okay then, forget about your NDA if you signed one and show us the code for it.
Don’t have it?
You helped code them, so you should be able to at least provide some of the code.
Otherwise you are bluffing whether any of what you say is true or not.
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X for doubt
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This story has nothing to do with either the FBI, or stifling speech. It’s about SOCOM, and trying to keep speech from being stifled. If you have evidence you can share that Twitter colluded with the FBI to stifle speech, and it’s something other than the FBI suggesting Twitter might want to look at some accounts, then share it. Otherwise it might as well be your girlfriend in Canada.
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The FBI gave twitter ban lists. Saying “might want to look at” (weasel words to soften what actually happened) doesn’t change that.
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They explicitly told Twitter that they were free to do nothing about it, and then when Twitter did nothing about most of them, there were absolutely no consequences.
I know this will not be fruitful because it’s about the 500th time you’ve been told this exact thing and pretended you’ve never seen it, but I feel like it has to be done anyway.
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“Nice store here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it. Of course, you don’t have to pay us the protection money…..”
Tell me a 100 times, if you want, it doesn’t change anything. I know you WANT it to. I know you want to PRETEND it does, but it does not. It was government directed censorship.
What you are saying is just not how it works, practically and legally.
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Matthew, if that were the case, then wouldn’t Twitter’s compliance have been 100%, not 40%?
Why do you keep ignoring that.
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Why do you keep ignoring that.
They felt that math was some kind of lefty, pinko, commie, socialist indoctrination plot, so they removed it in favor of creationist theory.
You’re seeing the results of that decision.
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re: lefty, pinko, commie, socialist indoctrination plot
Says the idiot always screaming about “Chinese/Russian trolls!”
Twitter’s 40% compliance is because the FBI and its assistants in state crime spent the time waging online PSYOP on the other 60% and decided they couldn’t stalk, bully, and harass them into “radicalization,” or that they were otherwise able to shut those people up.
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“Because it’s devastating to my case!”
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“ practically and legally.”
I think the real issue is you don’t actually know what those word mean.
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OK genius, if there was an implicit threat from the FBI, what were the consequences for Twitter in ignoring 60% of the accounts that were flagged for review by the FBI?
Re: Re: Re:4 Whoa I say!
Whoa whoa whoa right there!
What in the holy hell are you thinking?
You can’t go and challenge his self-righteous indignation with simple logic like that!
Now what’s he supposed to do? Think?
Re: Re: Re:4 'Do this!' '... nah.' 'Okay.'
Before even reaching the point of consequences or lack thereof they’d need to address the fact that Twitter had no problem ignoring the majority of those ‘threats’, something that really undermines them being called that as if the person you’re trying to coerce ignores you more often than not it’s either not a threat or you are really bad at threatening people.
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Please quote the exact text from the FBI’s emails that says anything even remotely equivalent to that phrasing.
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The lack of consequences when Twitter banned less than half of them suggests there was no coercion. There is also nothing I read there that would imply coercion.
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No matter how much your conspiracy damaged mind wants it to be. The fbi isn’t the mob bro.
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WTF would you now about either, you no-life keyboard stroking shitbag?
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“ If you can look at these releases and you don’t collusion with the fbi…”
If your English is as good as your coding I think I know why you got fired bro.
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I entirely buy Twitter had means of un-emphasizing people. It necessarily goes along with having means to boost people, something that’s pretty fundamental to social media. It isn’t how Twitter defined ‘shadowbanning’ so there were and are semantic games going on about that, but whatever.
I don’t buy the ‘collusion’ nonsense and I have no reason to believe you, personally, are anything other than another liar on the internet.
How Musk chose to handle the TF, and a suggestion on how he could have handled it, if this was about anything other than using it to push his own version of facts.
When you have a large cache of documents that you feel is important for the public to understand. When considering how one might distribute these files. A rational person’s first thoughts would NOT be to hand them over to a select group of right wing bloggers & pod casters, whom have little to no experience in investigative journalism.
Ok 0.5 Points for giving access to someone at The Intercept But -2 points for choosing a reporter with some very recent failures under his belt. Not to mention, The Intercept, has lost credibility with 90% of its readers. Years ago The Intercept did some excelllent work. For awhile now it has been under new management.
A reasonable person may have looked to the ICIJ (International Consortium of Investigative Journalists).
They have the experience to analyse these types of papers and they are not shy about going where the documents take them, especially when it involves government or corporate dirty laundry or dirty deeds
Although Musk going to them seems extremely unlikely. If he himself has not been exposed by some of their previous investigations, certainly some of his wealthy pals have been.
ICIJ-International Consortium of Investigative Journalists
But hey, Musk is getting what he wanted (mostly), which is to make people he dislikes look bad, under the narritive he has been pushing. So with Alex Jones otherwise occupied, he hands it out to to what amounts to a few sympathetic Journalists (Who are unwilling and unable to truly investigate the files).
Musk also attempts to give his narrative some much needed legitimacy This is where The Intercept comes in and allows itself to be used.
Thus limited access is provieed to an underskilled journalist who may find other things but still not recognize their significance. At the end of the day his write up parot’s Musks version of reality.
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re: My apologies!
This ” he may have (finally) legitimately found a real story of malfeasance in the Twitter files” could only be written by someone whose own platform is full of FBI apologists, and mods who censor-by-proxy.
All that garbage about Russian/Chinese trolls, and look! It was FBI trolls all along. Pathetic.
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Did you actually read the files? That’s not what they said.
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It seems relevant somehow that bhull242 is a crypto-Catholic, sperging up this forum with crypto-religious viewpoints disguised as spergberger bullying: Pentecost, much, in between all your FBI apologisting?
bhull242: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-EIojxbRHzcyU1zGu5VUcw
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Well, this thread is a WIN for me!
Twitter is stacked full of FBI trolls, and TD, along with the scurillous comment regulars here are friendly and “accepting” of what the FBI does there. Is that fair to say?
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Well, all of this FBI infiltration of the speech and communication networks is good, very good, according to “the plan.”
Twitter is stacked full of FBI trolls, and TD, along with the scurrilous comment regulars here are friendly and “accepting” of what the FBI does there.
Is that fair to say?
It seems relevant somehow that bhull242 is a crypto-Catholic, sperging up this forum with crypto-religious viewpoints disguised as spergberger bullying: Pentecost, much, in between all your FBI apologisting?
bhull242: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-EIojxbRHzcyU1zGu5VUcw