Senators Klobuchar And Warren Are Mad That Meta Is Taking Down Abortion Posts; If They Were Serious, They’d Protect Section 230
from the i-mean,-come-on dept
Almost exactly a year ago, Senator Amy Klobuchar (with Senator Ben Ray Lujan) introduced a bill to create a giant hole in Section 230 for “medical misinformation.” The bill would make social media sites like Facebook and Instagram potentially liable for any “health misinformation” found on their platforms. Of course, as we explained at the time, this is a horrifically dangerous idea on multiple levels. First, since there is no set definition of “medical misinformation” (and, in times of rapidly changing information, like a pandemic, accurate information may initially be labeled misinformation), it means that websites will be much more aggressive in taking down content. Second, it opens the door to widespread abuse because whoever is in power gets to determine what is, and what is not “medical misinformation” (the bill gave that role to whoever was the Secretary of Health and Human Services).
Given all that, it seems wildly ironic, that Senator Klobuchar (now with Senator Elizabeth Warren) have sent Mark Zuckerberg (and Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri) an angry demand letter over the news that Facebook has been banning people for simply mentioning that abortion pills exist following the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision overturning Roe v. Wade.
If Klobuchar got her way and her medical misinformation bill became law, it’s guaranteed that Facebook and Instagram would be taking down way more posts about abortion. Because they’d be sued left and right if they didn’t.
I am honestly perplexed at who the hell works in Klobuchar’s office that handles internet policy, because they seem to have less than no clue about how any of this works. For fuck’s sake, talk to someone who understands this stuff.
But, first, let’s look at the letter.
We write to express our concern about reports that Facebook and Instagram are censoring posts containing accurate information about abortion in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson. As a result of the Court’s decision, it is more important than ever that social media platforms not censor truthful posts about abortion, particularly as people across the country turn to online communities to discuss and find information about reproductive rights.
Yeah, sure, that makes sense (though, I again question the use of “censor” here when we’re talking about a private platform making moderation choices). And I’ll note that both Warren and Klobuchar have been aggressive over the last few years in suggesting that Facebook does far too little moderation — so it comes off a bit rich for them to now be complaining that the company does too much. It just reinforces the notion that everyone thinks that the “right” way to do moderation is however they, themselves, would do moderation.
Last month the Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade, stripping away constitutional protections for abortion. In the aftermath of the decision, many took to social media to share stories about the impact of the decision, let others know how to legally obtain abortion services, and to discuss their personal experiences. Posts about abortion spiked across social media in the days following the decision
That’s right. And how does Amy Klobuchar think that would have played out if she had successfully removed “medical misinformation” from being protected by Section 230? Under such a world, where Facebook would be liable for medical misinformation, the only smart move would be to rapidly try to take down anything medical related entirely, to avoid the risk of liability.
And this would be especially true over a hot topic like abortion.
This is why Senators like Ron Wyden have pointed out that we need Section 230 now more than ever because Republicans are pushing very real bills that would try to try to make social media websites liable for allowing users to post information about abortion. Section 230 preempts such laws. Or, at least it does for now. But if Klobuchar succeeds in removing medical information from Section 230, then… perhaps not.
And, even if you argue that a HHS Secretary under Biden wouldn’t classify information about abortion as misinformation, must I remind you that at some point soon, it’s likely that a Republican will return to the Presidency, perhaps as soon as 2025, and they could easily appoint someone to HHS who will declare any information about abortion or abortion pills to be medical misinformation.
So, hey, Senator Klobuchar, maybe stop trying to undermine that part if you actually want Facebook and Instagram to help people “share stories about the impact of the decision, let others know how to legally obtain abortion services.”
As people across the country took to the internet to discuss the Dobbs decision, both Facebook and Instagram removed posts about abortion. Reports indicate that multiple posts providing accurate information about how to legally access abortion services were removed, often within minutes after the information was posted. Others reported that posts mentioning abortion were taken down or were tagged with “sensitivity screens” and warnings, including a post promoting an abortion documentary, a posting entitled “Abortion in America How You Can Help,”5 and a post from a healthcare worker describing how people were already being harmed by laws banning abortion. One organization dedicated to informing people in the United States about their abortion rights temporarily had its account suspended. Users reported similar issues last fall when Texas’s law banning abortions after six weeks went into effect.
Last week, Meta spokesperson Andy Stone pointed to Facebook’s policy banning attempts to buy, sell, trade, gift, or request pharmaceuticals on its platform as the reason for the posts being removed. Stone acknowledged, however, that Facebook and Instagram have had problems applying the policy to posts about abortion.
Yeah, because determining what is legal information regarding pharmaceuticals is already hellishly difficult… and if (as Senator Klobuchar wants) it also because legally risky, then Facebook is going to be even more aggressive in trying to take down that information.
So, if this is really as big a concern as Klobuchar makes it out to be she should pull her own medical misinformation bill and admit that it would make the problem worse, not better.
Instead of recognizing that she’s a part of the problem, the letter instead demands all sorts of information about Facebook and Instagram’s content moderation practices and policies. I hope that Meta tells them to pound sand. Those are editorial decisions, and it’s none of Congress’ business. The demands are no different from Senators demanding that a news organization reveal their editorial policies, why they rejected certain articles, or why they lead with a certain story.
Everyone would freak out if Congress demanded such information, as they should here.
I mean, this is, yet again, the flip side of Republicans and their nonsense populist freakouts about “anti-conservative bias.” If Klobuchar and Warren are demanding this kind of information, and get it, then that just opens the door to Senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley demanding the exact same info, but not about policies on abortion, but rather whatever new moral panic they have today.
So, Senators stop meddling in the 1st Amendment protected editorial decision making of media organizations and (more importantly) stop trying to pass laws, like the medical misinformation bill, that would effectively serve to silence more of the conversation about abortion that you (correctly) deem so valuable.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, abortion, amy klobuchar, content moderation, editorial decisions, elizabeth warren, mark zuckerberg, medical misinformation
Companies: facebook, instagram, meta


Comments on “Senators Klobuchar And Warren Are Mad That Meta Is Taking Down Abortion Posts; If They Were Serious, They’d Protect Section 230”
Someone please
SEND the adverts to HER, to sign off on and be responsible for.
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The Gov Should assign someone to BE responsible for this, cause the Internet does not WANT TO BE.
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And the politicians clearly see how useful it will be to whittle down 1A for more complete control over the populace.
They’re finally worried or mad that Facebook still adheres to 1A despite them trying to destroy 1A?
Facebook fucking deals with worse in Singapore. Like, “the PAP demands that you fucking let the PAP see this private post” levels of worse.
I sure hope Facebook tells these powerhungry Senators to fuck off and unfuck themselves.
Ah, I see you’re new to this Mr. Masnick. Allow me to explain: Ms. Klobuchar is something called a “politician”, which means the things she says are not necessarily (not even usually) things she actually believes, but rather things she thinks her voters want to hear. Notably, it doesn’t matter if what she says it’s consistent. It doesn’t even matter if it’s true. I strongly doubt she expects any serious results to come from her talking po– I mean letter. It’s a campaign ad and nothing more.
'Maybe stop using it as toilet paper?'
It would be hilarious if anytime an idiot senator tries a stunt like this the company involved publicly mailed them a copy of the bill of rights with the first amendment highlighted, along with a note that simply says ‘Since you seem to have misplaced your copy.’
On a more specific note if they can’t see how their bill will be weaponized against them then they’re fools. All it would take is enough pro-birthers gaining power and declaring that abortion is dangerous so clearly any information supporting it or suggesting that it’s not is ‘medical misinformation’ and instantly any pro-abortion content needs to be removed post-haste unless sites want to face crushing penalties.
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Your comment contains some misinformation: it’s not “pro-abortion”, it’s “pro-reproductive rights”.
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Ah, a fair point, will try to remember that in the future.
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“publicly mailed them a copy of the bill of rights with the first amendment highlighted”
But that is because someone gave corps 1st amendment rights. And as they USE that right to give money to politicians(the logic avoids me) under the 1st amendment as an Expression OF that right.(only in a capitalist system do rights have a money value.)
Hmmm. So if “medical misinformation” was banned, things like this would have to be blocked:
I’m sure we’d have a slew of people saying that it’s lies. Some would say it leads to depression. And then we’d get lawsuits against major social media because someone’s Teenager (or “worse” preteen) followed the post’s advice and Something Awful™ happened.
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LOL. That made me laugh–and yes, you are correct–censorship by law or proxy is bad for democracy everywhere.
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But you hate democracy, going by all your pro-China, wall of text rants.
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Being objective about political circumstances, and being pro-anything are football fields apart.
Like many, I once believed my country, the USA, actually was a democracy–I was wrong. Every story published here at TD, and every major news story since 9-11 proves that point.
Democracy is where you find it on that day, and the US is now a two-faction, two-tiered police state by every metric and definition, so, yeah, there’s that.
Care to discuss THAT?
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Being objective about political circumstances, and being pro-anything are football fields apart.
You’re not objective about anything, though, you polarized National Flag of the People’s Republic of China-waver. As for the States being undemocratic, the very existence of the Bill of Rights proves otherwise. Care to discuss that?
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You Ukrainian Neo-Nazi’s never let up do you?
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The only Nazis in Ukraine after 2016 are your comrades Putin sent.
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Um, yeah, and their Israeli comrades, also armed directly by Israel.
Whodathunkit!? Zionists and Nazi’s, one and all! I cannot differentiate the Zionist from the Nazi worldview, or racial beliefs.
“The bill would make social media sites like Facebook and Instagram potentially liable for any “health misinformation” found on their platforms”
Just as soon as you 2 assholes can get health misinformation and flat out lies about how the human body works coming from Congress we might think about it.
Until then, GFY.
2 senators who simply haven’t got a clue!!
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Wrong–these shiksa scum with their white privilege (or “Indian” privilege,” lol) know exactly what game they are playing, and with whom.
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Fuck off, you lying racist bastard.
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[Citation Needed]
Shiksa scum are like other scum, except for that a certain group of actual racists find them valuable BECAUSE OF their racial category, and use them accordingly as human sock-puppets.
Take it up with them.
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So you target the marginalized group and not the ones victimizing them? Fuck off, you lying racist bastard.
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I am the marginalized group–those two co-opters of democracy (and identity to boot in Warren’s case) are the establishment.
Did you fail civics in high school? Oh–that’s right, Singaporean’s are still struggling with the Speak Good English campaign, put in place by the spymaster in chief to subvert the people’s love of Singlish.
My bad!
I dunno. Maybe explore these white females and their post WW2 ties to Big Pharma, and MKULTRA, or….NAAAH.
Mebbe it’s all a “coincidence” these white female pundits–their Jewish-christian informed gibberish, and all shilling for drugs, but also“splitting the baby”along tribal sectarian lineages.
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“The bill would make social media sites like Facebook and Instagram potentially liable for any “health misinformation” found on their platforms. Of course, as we explained at the time, this is a horrifically dangerous idea on multiple levels.”
Meh. Stupid, horny and breeding dogs, be stupid dogs, IMHO.
Meh. Me so crazy , DOXXing myself now.
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Meh. Stupid, horny and breeding dogs, be stupid dogs, IMHO.
Not only are you not humble, you are far from honest.
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Seriously, you said this?
Humility is for the dead and the deceived.
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Humility is for the dead and the deceived.
Then you should be humble, because you’ve certainly been deceived.
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Howso?
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But, BTW, never deceived by you and your hasbara troll army, while you and yours are scrambling for assets–right? It’s so hard to find soulless people in the world, and even harder for Israeli’s like you to find people who have no morals or conscience.
Like you, there, and your “incels” working out of Toronto, with your lovely shiksa bride, ala Alana Boltwood.
Poor, poor Israeli-zionist terrorist–do a Google search for “how to sew it back on.”
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…never deceived by you and your hasbara troll army…
One individual isn’t an army, but thanks for the admission, through your projection, that you’re a troll.
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Thanks, Rabbi Flamebait!BTW–what does the ADL pay these days for your kind of services?
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You’re in a better position to know that than me, as everyone else knows. Don’t try to hide the facts with more projection.
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That, from the idiot that actually linked to the word “projection,” as if it ws “new information” lol. You’re a real GIFT, that’s for sure.
Yeah, your confession of your vapid trolling is quite interesting here too.
In real life you would quickly learn consequences, and you wouldn’t like it one bit.
“it also because legally risky, then Facebook is going to be even more aggressive”
Should that say ‘become’ instead of ‘because’?
Here’s we’re 230, a federal law, collides with the the state’s rights.
No matter what the Dems say, the federal court had no constitutional authority to grant a right not embedded in federal law.
The abortion decision simply returned the right of legislation back to the states.
What a state can not do is create laws that cross state lines. No impede interstate transit.
A state can not bar a company in another state from transmitting what is legal in that state through another state. This is the same platform that prohibits California from seizing weapons from a Nevada resident travelling through California into Oregon. Or Utah seizing money from pot sales in Colorado heading to a California bank.
Laws firmly up heals in postal lawsuits over “indecent” and “obscene” materials seizure.
If it is legal in the source state and legal in the destination state it can not be stopped or barred between them.
The best a state can do under federal law is punish residents for viewing materials illegal in that state. They have no legal standing to sue a ‘foreign’ company from another state.
As soon as a company stands up to such distribution laws, under state’s rights legislation, the sooner the SCOTUS will toss out such laws.
I wish FB actually had a preverbal spine, but I wasn’t expecting it. Not from a company that chooses destructive deletionism over proper selective display moderation.
In time, an actually reputable company will fight back. Maybe when Texas postal inspectors intercept PP material crossing the state?
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No impede -> nor impede
firmly up heals-> firmly upheld
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Asking–what is “PP material”? I have never read that acronym in this context before.
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Planned parenthood
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Got it, thanks!