Supreme Court Makes The Right Call: Puts Texas Social Media Law Back On Hold
from the but-the-lack-of-details-is-concerning dept
Exhale.
Just a little while ago, the Supreme Court put Texas’s ridiculous content moderation law back on hold. Specifically, it granted NetChoice and CCIA’s emergency application to put the law on hold, following the 5th Circuit’s decision to reinstate the law without any explanation (which came about in response to a district court’s lengthy explanation for why the law was unconstitutional.)
The Supreme Court’s ruling here… is a little strange. It was a 5-4 decision, but probably not the lineup you might expect. The ruling to grant the stay (i.e., to block the law from being enforced) was supported by Chief Justice Roberts, along with Justices Barrett, Breyer, Kavanaugh, and Sotomayor. That leaves the four who wished to have the law still in place as Justices Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, and… Kagan?!
Unfortunately there’s little in the way of details here, as there is no explanation for the majority decision to put the law on hold. Kagan only notes that she would deny the application. Many are speculating that her reasoning was based on her distaste for the so-called “Shadow Docket” of emergency applications where this all played out. Though, as shadow docket expert Steve Vladeck notes, even though Kagan has been vocal about disapproving of the use of the shadow docket, that hasn’t prevented her from granting relief via it in the past.
And while there is no majority opinion to explain the thinking, Alito did write a dissent that, as perhaps could be expected, is just full of nonsense. Thomas signed onto it, along with Gorsuch. That Alito and Thomas would align on this isn’t that surprising, given what they’ve said in the past (though one would hope with slightly more briefing in front of them they might have realized their positions are fundamentally mistaken — but no such luck). Gorsuch is kind of surprising, as on similar issues he’s seemed more open to reason.
It’s good to see Kavanaugh stay consistent here, as his ruling in the Halleck case was an important precedent, and it would be bizarre to see him flip so quickly.
As for the dissent, authored by Alito, well, it’s a mess. We don’t need to do a full analysis on it, because it doesn’t really matter yet. But Alito seems extremely confused about a few important concepts and it will be important to carefully brief those concepts in more detail when this issue, inevitably, returns to the Supreme Court docket along more traditional lines. Also, it’s quite incredible for him and his two co-signers to suggest that you can simply take away 1st Amendment rights and only come back and determine if that was okay at a later date.
It is also… not entirely clear to me what happens next. In theory, the 5th Circuit is still expected to release its more complete opinion turning the law back on. But… now that doesn’t matter because the Supreme Court has already blocked that? Or, could that turn the law back on again? It’s all a bit unclear, but at least in the very, very short term, by an uncomfortably narrow margin, Texas’ dangerously bad content moderation law is not in effect.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, clarence thomas, content moderation, elena kagan, hb20, neil gorsuch, samuel alito, shadow docket, social media, supreme court, texas
Companies: ccia, netchoice


Comments on “Supreme Court Makes The Right Call: Puts Texas Social Media Law Back On Hold”
Hey ThorsProvoni,
YOU LOST AGAIN!!!!
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Re: Learn to Understand a Legal Decision
The good guys (my side) are making progress against the insanity of the misinterpreted and obsolete 1996 Section 230. The bad guys (pro-Discrimination racists, who deny a 2022 social medium holds out common carriage) are losing serious ground.
The majority did not write an opinion, but I suspect the grant of vacatur was a matter of equitable discretion. 5-4 grant is not so impressive.
The presence of Kagan among the dissenters suggests my arguments may be getting traction with SCOTUS. It’s impressive. On a matter of equitable discretion, I would probably have voted for vacatur if I had been on SCOTUS. I am acquainted with Kagan from Harvard. She is usually even more sympathetic to an argument of equitable discretion than I am. The complete decision can be read on the docket toward the middle.
I have read almost all opinions from SCOTUS. I have never found one that I would deride even if I consider it to be an utter disaster like Mayo Collaborative Servs. v. Prometheus Labs., Inc., 566 U.S. 66, 132 S. Ct. 1289, 182 L. Ed. 2d 321, 23 Fla. L. Weekly Supp. 189 (2012).
Why don’t you guys read Mayo and try to understand its core problem?
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Mate. No one gives a shit. You. Lost. Deal with it. Now go out, cover that ego with a hat and go touch grass. Seriously, you look like a thumb.
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Re: Re: Re: It's Not Over Until the Fat Lady Sings
Even SCOTUS occasionally reconsiders a ruling.
Screeching “You lost” just indicates foolishness.
If I were a Justice on SCOTUS, I would probably have sided with the majority because I always incline to a complete litigation, in which every party has a chance to make all of its arguments — such a position invariably makes me lean toward staying a law, which may be unconstitutional.
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Mate, for every word salad you spew out I would have a full functioning cold bar.
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Re: Re: Re:3 Law Depends on Precise Use of Words
It’s Not Me — Statutorily Defined Common Carriers Are Odd Beasts
They are US Code Title-specific. Generally one regulatory agency does not consider a common carrier according to another regulatory agency to be a common carrier.
The federal agencies rarely take note of the plethora of state common law common carriers.
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Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has no idea what it means to have a plethora.
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I don’t think so. More like three fully functioning cold bars. 😉
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So does acting like your opinions about 230 and common carriage are settled law when no law or court ruling agrees with your bullshit opinions.
Look, dude, you’re not gonna change any minds here. You can claim you’re not about forcing speech onto Twitter, but that will be the effective endgame of your misguided and ultimately foolish crusade. The regular commentary crew around here doesn’t take kindly to that idea. You can keep arguing with us, sure, but you won’t accomplish anything but blowing up a comments section. We’re not as dumb as you think we are and you’re not as smart as you think you are.
You are the new Shiva Ayyadurai. That isn’t a good thing.
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Thanks man for the backup.
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[Hallucinates facts contrary to submitted evidence]
Yet another reminder...
Just because someone is a liberal/democrat, that doesn’t mean that they’re tech-literate and/or make good tech policy decisions. Heck, the current President’s stance on SOPA is enough of a reminder!
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It’s also a reminder that just because a justice is conservative doesn’t mean they’re an ideological rubber stamp.
This court has consistently taken an expansive view of corporations’ First Amendment rights. Anyone who’s surprised that several of the conservatives on the court voted in favor of corporations’ First Amendment rights hasn’t been paying attention.
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Read Scalia’s majority opinion in Brown v EMA (video games are speech, therefore covered by the First Amendment). He’s pretty clear on those principles, and totally calls out both Alito and Thomas in his comments and footnotes.
Because when the framers came up with the 1st Amendment they didn’t really mean it, here in this English law from 876 it clearly establishes the right of the Lord to force his serfs to repeat what he tells them, even if they know it is untrue.
I’m not a legal expert but I think if the supreme Court says a law is against the constitution the law is invalid it can’t be used to charge people or bring a company to court
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They didn’t say the law is unconstitutional. They just vacated the stay on the injunction that blocked the law from going into effect.
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Re: Re: Thanks for Reading the Decision
Everyone should read it and take a look at the docket in order to begin to learn how SCOTUS works.
Note the docket identifier/case number contains an ‘A’, which tells that an application and not a petition has been put before SCOTUS.
SCOTUS uses a special term — application — for motion. In most cases, an application is made to a Circuit Justice, who may refer it to the whole Supreme Court.
The ruling on an application is never precedential.
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Sir, this is a McDonalds.
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Actually, ma’am, it’s a Burger King. 😉
Kagen's "dissent"
Per the WaPo: “Justice Elena Kagan would have let a decision from the lower court to stand for now, but did not detail her reasoning.”
Not clear on why she didn’t side with the majority or the dissent, but it’s fairly clear she’s not in the corner of the dissenters.
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Depends on which ‘lower court’ is being referenced I’d say, the one that upheld the hold or the one that tried to overturn it.
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Primary sources are our friend. From the dissent:
“JUSTICE KAGEN would deny the application to vacate stay.”
So, “lower court” would mean the 5th circuit, not the district court. Her vote was to let the law stay in effect.
Bad ambiguous reporting by the WaPo.
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Re: Re: Re: The Real Issue is Staying the Enforcement of a State Law
In this Netchoice v. Paxton, staying the enforcement is equal to a vacatur from SCOTUS of the order from the Court of Appeals to stay the order from the District Court to stay the enforcement of the Texas state law.
In one case on which I worked, a company was incorrectly enjoined from selling a product for infringing a patent claim under the Doctrine of Equivalents. The company appealed to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit to lift the injunction
What's Next?
I believe the matter is returned to the district court to be litigated properly.
Re: What's next:
Yes, the law currently is on hold while it is being litigated at the district court.
I would not be surprised at all to see an appeal against any decision of the district court, but that’s something for next year.
Justice Breyer
Justice Breyer has been SCotUS’s most reliable vote for free speech, and for IP law limited to its Constitutional purpose. I will miss him.
(No disrespect intended for Justice-designate Jackson. As far as I know, she does not have a distinctive record on these issues.)
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Brown v EMA says hi.
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Ketanji Brown Jackson Sat on Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit
She probably understands the distinction between a state common law common carrier and an FCC-regulated statutorily defined interstate telecommunications common carrier.
There is no federal common law. The federal government could eliminate all federal statutorily defined common carriers. Yet state common law common carriers including all social medium platforms would continue to exist.
Ketanji Brown Jackson becomes the Circuit Justice for the 1st Circuit. She could sit on a 1st Circuit Appellate Panel and preside over Martillo v. Twitter.
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Keep in mind, every point you tried to make regarding Twitter being a common carrier….
I DESTROYED!!! WITH FACTS!!!
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Every point? Don’t lie; doing so only destroys your credibility.
Re: Re: No facts -- Just Inability to Distinguish Between Statutory Federal Telecommunications Common Carrier Law and Common Law State Common Carrier Law
Telex was a Western Union Message Common Carriage Service, which carried Digital Personal Literary Property over the AT&T circuit-switched voice phone network.
Both Telex and also AT&T were common carriers, but they were regulated under different legal and regulatory regimes.
AT&T carried digital and analog signals for voice phone calls.
The AT&T common carriage network knew nothing about a Telex message.
Telex provided message common carriage for a digital personal literary property.
Likewise, an ISP provides statutory federal common carriage for Level 4 Transport packets while Twitter provides common law state common carriage for a digital personal literary property, which is called a Tweet.
The ISP knows nothing about a Tweet.
When Louis de Broglie proposed the concept of wave-particle duality, the idea was too complex for much of the public and for many physicists.
Anonymous Coward seems to have a similar problem with the concept of a dual regulatory-legal regime.
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… sums up every one of Thors’s posts.
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“Yet state common law common carriers including all social medium platforms would continue to exist.”
At which point you have substantial dormant commerce clause issues to overcome, unless your social media platform is confined to just the state imposing such a bizarre understanding of common carriers.
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Most likely because they’re not common carriers, in any capacity whatsoever, as they don’t transport anything themselves.